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Open Thread || Saturday, September 24, 2016

69 thoughts on “Open Thread || Saturday, September 24, 2016”

  1. We speculated why Obama’s FBI refused to move forward with a recommendation to indict Hillary re her private server/email catastrophe, and thus open up the investigation to even more disclosure and investigation. Who were they protecting? What dark secrets were they hiding?

    Turns out the FBI is somehow still (I guess) plodding around the Hillary email mess and has just released more information about them. And this is what Drudge reports:

    “Obama used a pseudonym in emails with Clinton, FBI documents reveal”

    So when Barry tells us he learned about Hillary’s private email server when he read about it in the newspapers…..his nose (or perhaps his ears) grew a lot larger. Here’s where he lied about it:
    “Obama weighs in on Hillary Clinton’s private emails”

    Not only did Barry know about Hillary’s private server, he used it to communicate with her.

    Even Huma was gobsmacked about this. From the story:

    “Once informed that the sender’s name is believed to be pseudonym used by the president, Abedin exclaimed: ‘How is this not classified?'” the report says. “Abedin then expressed her amazement at the president’s use of a pseudonym and asked if she could have a copy of the email.”

    Now we know.

    1. Tin foil hat:
      Now we know why the FBI pulled away from recommending any actions against MrsClinton – the e-mails from the POTUS would have become public and the content is probably so sensitive or damning it would harm national security.

      It’s hard to imagine what information or dialogue was exchanged in this fashion, just as it’s hard to picture MrObama typing away on a laptop or cell phone to anyone. Was MrsClinton (not an aide) e-mailing MrObama (not an aide) for guidance on what to say to some foreign power, did he e-mail her to give some pertinent advice on some issue, or were they personally colluding to shake down certain private entities or certain countries looking for a favorable action from the State Dept?

      Every new revelation of facts concerning the Clinton/Obama drama raises the stink level and explains the Obama’s panic that MrsClinton might just lose in November. It’s not MrOs “legacy” he’s afraid of being tainted, it’s PresidentTrump’s possible actions against a corrupt regime.

      1. Yep, the more the Obama/Clinton cartel move around in the quicksand, the deeper they sink on these and other issues.

        On your reference to Obama’s cellphone, do you remember the stink Obama raised early on in his administration–2009–about being allowed to use his old Blackberry and how he refused to use the cell phone the security folks insisted he use? How very strange that was. Here’s the story:

        And from the story:
        “White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday a compromise had been reached allowing Obama to keep in touch with a select group of staff and friends through the device, for which he had famously developed an addiction.”

        Oh, really?

        At the time of this big wahoo about his Blueberry, I remember thinking “What a strange thing to be fighting over, given the monumental issues Obama ought to be working on.”

        I guess my point is that Obama (and Hillary, it turns out), has always been weird about security matters, very sloppy. For Barry, there seems to have always been secret telephone numbers, secret lists of people, contacts, he insisted be kept secret from others. And I mean in matters he wanted to keep secret even from those authorized to ensure that security and information surrounding the President be watertight and absolutely uncompromised.

        And now, we learn that Obama willingly and knowingly went around security guidance by contacting Hillary about, as you say, who knows what on her unsecured private server.

        This is a story that goes much deeper and wider than we understand at this time, a Rosetta Stone to the peculiar nature of the Obama administration.

          1. deplorably irredemable gracepc


            And further to this the link is a good piece about Obama and Hillary and the emails at Legal Insurrection. It is revealed that HRC is almost functionally computer illiterate. She could not keep track of her phones and there are missing Blackberrys everywhere. If the phone did ring at 3AM she would not be able to find it, let alone answer it. Many of the phones were removed and not used.

            There is also some question as to what the FBI might have withheld from their talks with Mills.


          2. Grace….this whole story is more Alice in Wonderland than Alice in Wonderland. The Three Stooges would have run a better, more efficient, much cleaner operation than Hillary and her staff. Can you imagine what a national catastrophe they would create if Hillary was elected POTUS and had this band of goofballs as her staff?

          3. deplorably irredemable gracepc

            Marcus, Not only that but FBI and IRS are so in the tank to cover this up for Hillary that they would not be able to function in their designated capacity. They are some version of consiglieres and soldiers . Not up on the mob organization — but that. Reading those emails and reports is mind boggling at the least.

  2. The Ricketts family, founders of TD Ameritrade and 95% owners of the Chicago Cubs baseball team and other franchises spent over 5 million dollars in the last year paying for ads AGAINST Trump. Now they have had a change of heart. They are now spending millions of dollars running ads FOR Trump because they do not want Hillary as the next president.

    Also Ted Cruz has jumped on board for Trump.

  3. Cruz’s statement:

    After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

    I’ve made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

    Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that’s why I have always been #NeverHillary.

    Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights — free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment — the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices. We know, without a doubt, that every Clinton appointee would be a left-wing ideologue. Trump, in contrast, has promised to appoint justices “in the mold of Scalia.”

    For some time, I have been seeking greater specificity on this issue, and today the Trump campaign provided that, releasing a very strong list of potential Supreme Court nominees — including Sen. Mike Lee, who would make an extraordinary justice — and making an explicit commitment to nominate only from that list. This commitment matters, and it provides a serious reason for voters to choose to support Trump.

    Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

    Third, energy. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s war on coal and relentless efforts to crush the oil and gas industry. Trump has said he will reduce regulations and allow the blossoming American energy renaissance to create millions of new high-paying jobs.

    Fourth, immigration. Clinton would continue and even expand President Obama’s lawless executive amnesty. Trump has promised that he would revoke those illegal executive orders.

    Fifth, national security. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees whom the FBI cannot vet to make sure they are not terrorists. Trump has promised to stop the deluge of unvetted refugees.

    Sixth, Internet freedom. Clinton supports Obama’s plan to hand over control of the Internet to an international community of stakeholders, including Russia, China, and Iran. Just this week, Trump came out strongly against that plan, and in support of free speech online.

    These are six vital issues where the candidates’ positions present a clear choice for the American people.

    If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.

    My conscience tells me I must do whatever I can to stop that.

    We also have seen, over the past few weeks and months, a Trump campaign focusing more and more on freedom — including emphasizing school choice and the power of economic growth to lift African-Americans and Hispanics to prosperity.

    Finally, after eight years of a lawless Obama administration, targeting and persecuting those disfavored by the administration, fidelity to the rule of law has never been more important.

    The Supreme Court will be critical in preserving the rule of law. And, if the next administration fails to honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I hope that Republicans and Democrats will stand united in protecting our fundamental liberties.

    Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way.

    A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.

  4. Good morning! Leaves in the Smoky Mountains are not very colorful so far, but hints of yellow are here and there. I love the crisp air of Fall.
    A few thoughts today:
    -Setting a curfew and not enforcing it is no different than a parent who tells a child, “I’m going to count to three…” and then, when “three” is reached, does nothing.
    Our children knew our “yes” meant “yes” and our “no” meant “no.” Probably the reason our kids don’t riot and act like heathens.
    -Regarding the debate and DJT: As my mother used to say, Mr. Trump, “Consider the source.” A poster on another site calls her, “MeMaw.” Poor old woman – lost her health and her mind in a fruitless quest for money and power.
    -Guilliani just said the FBI conducted the email investigation in order to give immunities to numerous people. Think on that for a minute…the purpose was to determine who needed immunity, not prosecution.
    -Gary Johnson is a pot head.
    -Everyone who believes in the power of prayer should be consistently asking for the safety and protection of DJT and his family and associates.
    Lord, hear our prayer. Amen

    1. (adjusting the tin foil)
      Is the FBI waiting for the outcome of the election to decide who gets prosecuted?
      Giving immunity to aides and people who were part of the scheme to hide the e-mails means something might just happen down the road.

    2. “Think on that for a minute…the purpose was to determine who needed immunity, not prosecution.”

      Exactly. And think on this: wasn’t Pagliano offered immunity to testify about what he know about Hillary’s server? Yes, he was.
      “Justice Dept. grants immunity to staffer who set up Clinton email server”

      And YET, he refused to even show up for the hearing, in defiance of Congress. There is something much bigger going on here than we now know.

  5. O/T Whatever happened to “Star” who frequently contributed here? I wonder what she is thinking now about today’s political situation? She rather scathingly disapproved of The Donald.

    1. Absolutely the best so far, AFVet. *Love!*
      I highly recommend all four links. A lot of wisdom in these songs and this video.
      I’m sending the link to my Australian friend – like us, she is old enough to remember.
      As one commenter said on YouTube, this is “pure and clean” music.
      And as the 60 minutes reporter said, “they were dressed as if they were going to church.”
      Finally, as Judith stated, “You can’t appreciate something when you haven’t struggled.”
      I hope and pray this election will yield appreciation for those who have struggled against the oppression of liberalism and its cohort, socialism.

  6. Trump speaking in Roanoke. Best thing ever! Powerful.

    “We used to make cars in Flint and you could drink the water. Now cars are being made in Mexico and you can’t drink the water in Flint.”

  7. deplorably irredemable gracepc

    Subtle Trump. Here is a nice card played.

    HRC invites Mark Cuban to debates. Trump today invites Gennifer Flowers, which forces The Hill to explain to the young uns’ how far back this crap goes — 1998. And having Gennifer Flowers, still looking much better than Hils’ , front and center is a slap in the face.

    I am glad there are people like Keith and Don to explain stuff to me.

    1. I.Love.This.
      Trump should invite all of Bubba’s spurned women to the debate – Monica, Paula, Kathleen, Juanita – as many as will come.
      I have to laugh at some of the posters over at RedState, which by the way, should not consider themselves a Conservative website any longer. They were moaning and groaning about how infantile and unserious and uncivilized it is for Trump to make this counter move to Hillary’s cutesy ploy of inviting Mark Cuban.
      I don’t know what makes these jerks madder. The fact that Trump tells it like it is or the fact that he fights the left with a dose of their own medicine.

      1. deplorably irredemable gracepc

        Borrowed this from Sunday thread at AOS. Made me LOL.

        Trump turns to Illary, points to Gennifer in the front row and says:

        Look Hillary, I brought you Flowers.

      2. The cleverness of the suggestion to invite Billy’s former mistresses and sexual victims to the debate is that these women don’t actually have to be there. (Is there enough room in the place to accommodate all these women??). All the Trump people had to do is raise the possibility of the invite, and name the women. Two reactions follow in the public mind: 1. It reminded everyone of the Clintons’ corrupt behavior vis a vis these women, and 2. Forces the Clinton people (and their media lap dogs) go into panic mode.

        So, again, Trump has, without lifting a finger or breaking a sweat, turned the Clinton camp and their media supporters into political whirling dervishes.

        Just flat out brilliant.

  8. Here is the most cogent, rational analysis of the utter corruption of the FBI investigation of Hillary’s private server criminal coverup and and the moral turpitude of her apologists I’ve read to date:

    “The FBI Investigation of EmailGate Was a Sham”

    “NSA Analyst: We now have incontrovertible proof the Bureau never had any intention of prosecuting Hillary Clinton”

      1. The last song they sang…wow, Trump needs to hear that one!
        I can’t tell you how I enjoyed this song fest. My weekend was crammed full of mundane tasks – made all the more pleasant with this music.
        Thank you AFVet!
        Also want you to know I shared all the songs on Facebook and many others enjoyed them too,

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