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Sunday Open Thread || July 16, 2016



61 thoughts on “Sunday Open Thread || July 16, 2016”

    1. Morning Geoff, I just retired from Boeing after 28 years. I was part of a weekend team who refurbished one of the B-17 Flying Fortress’. I had the pleasure of seeing a lot of the old birds from the past fly into the airstrips at Boeing. I will miss it greatly.

      1. I lived for a time right to the East of the base and sat on my deck one open house year and drank my coffee on a Sunday morning while a B17,P51,Zero,and more than I cam remember did their flyovers. One of best memories ever!

          1. Oh YEAH!!!
            Doc only took one pass and back to check for leaks but man o man she look liked she’d just come off the assembly line. And the sound of those 4 engines was pure majesty.

  1. 1. Where’s Bill?
    2. Chilis wouldn’t have been my first choice either.
    But maybe the Pences live within their means. I read that their net worth is 400k.
    3. Also heard a Dem talking head assert that Pence used his campaign funds to mortgage his house…don’t know the details of that one.
    4. Good morning everyone!

      1. Not excusing what happened. I don’t know the details. Too bad he didn’t have someone like Resko to help him out, or didn’t have a “charitable” foundation to better channel the funds,

        1. Digging for dirt is how the game is played.
          Plenty of dirt out there on HRC.
          The only one who escaped is the Muslim in sheep’s clothing.

          1. Yeah Girly1, like Fast and Furious and Benghazi.
            We need more time.

            Funny how quickly the left WEEDS OUT anything on a republican.

            No bias to see here,….move along.

        2. What are you talking about, AFVet? I was referring to the fact that it takes time to weed out the credible, ethical journalists in the liberal print media. Not all of them are biased. But how would you know if you refuse to read WaPo and others?

          1. I read everything and base my opinion on it.
            History shows that WAPO is biased toward the left, so is the NYT.

            You’re accusing me of not reading WAPO and others.
            I have never stated that I didn’t.

          2. I have found that to be so. The one that surprises me from time to time is Chris Cilliza (sp?) at — but that is a rare nut/squirrel situation.

            For a time Fournier danced around the edges but haven’t heard from him much.

            Who never gets enough press is Sharyl Atkisson.

          3. Oh, so you do read the ‘lib rags’, eh? You could have fooled me.

            Did you even read the Pence piece from WaPo?Perhaps you should read it before attacking the messenger

      1. Minimum altitude over a populated area was 700 ft.

        That was not a populated area.
        Whomever was flying that airplane was having fun.
        They were right on the deck.

    1. My dad had his pilot’s license for a Cesna 150. The IBM Flying Club bought one to share, we flew from Van Nuys north up the California coast & south to Palm Springs. It was a blast, I was 10-12 during that time. Eventually the upkeep was too much & they sold the plane. But my dad and I had great times flying all over.

      1. True that.
        Hanger fees and tie downs are expensive.
        It is an expensive hobby.
        If used for business and you can get a write-off, not bad.
        Annual inspections and engine overhaul can get into the dollars.
        I looked into owning a small plane but just couldn’t afford it.

        Still, it was a great experience for me.
        I will never forget it.

  2. I am not a fan of Paul Ryan. Nor is Breitbart. The link is to an article discussing his problems with upcoming election in WI.

    I was a Paul Ryan fan. But he is really an estasblishment squish He is also arrogant. He puts on a humble act. All that aside, it is when he topples into the lap of the left. I

    In theory it is a good idea to compromise. The Left will not compromise. But Ryan goes hat in hand to Pelosi, and in this article to Gutierrez, and then totally abandons the conservative position. If he continues as SOH we will have all kinds of legislation supporting Hillary Clinton and amnesty will happen almost overnight.

          1. Paul Nehlan is out there doing a great campaign.
            We need Ryan & McCain gone this time. Dr. Kelli Ward is AZ answer to that old no neck dinosaur.

    1. Obama, the Islamist, was the first one out of the gate to support Erdogan by announcing that he was ‘democratically elected’ three times. There must have been a victory celebration at the WH after Erdogan’s staged coup ‘failed’.
      Brings back memories of the Green Revolution and how Obama remained silent while hundreds were slaughtered.

      Will never forget the spectacle of Obama slobbering over Erdogan during a WH presser during his first term. Similar to the presser he held with Morsi.

  3. SWL Re. Turkey From earlier thread. Be advised that I am now wearing my tin foil hat — me being all dressed up in my Sunday best and all.

    Seriously, it would not be difficult to believe that Erdogan was somehow involved in this “coup”. That is was by design to smoke out the opposition and deal with them. And from all appearances, punishment will be extremely harsh and very uncivilized.

    That said, the tin foil hat comes from consideration that Obama and his minions might have been involved in some “support”, covert fashion. I am willing to entertain this.

    But given that the American people no longer get any truthful information (think IRS and conservatives, Clinton emails, Benghazi, anything related to black crime, etc) it is unlikely that the veil will be pierced, if it exists.

    Obama is on record for saying that globalism will defeat terrorism. Yeah, how’ that working out.

    Anyway,not convinced that we didn’t know nufin’ folks…What we do know is Erdogan is one cruel SOB and for now he is in NATO so he is our SOB to an extent.

    1. It’s too coincidental that this ‘coup’ occurred just before the military high council meets, as it does every year at the beginning of August, to consider who gets promoted, retired or pushed aside.

      Erdogan just cleaned house!

      1. I agree. But if Obama had a hand in it, even his invisible hand, it will be hard to prove that this was a Erdogan house cleaning.

    2. No tinfoil hat there, Grace. Anything is possible. Very likely that Erdogan is involved. Enormous purges right now in Turkey, seems like Erdogan and his thugs had lists ready with whom to deal. Obama/CIA involved ? Well, like you say, we will never know, but maybe Erdogan was getting out of hands, it is obvious to anyone how he tramples human rights and abuses democracy. It is possible to hide what is happening in Saudi but not what is happening in Turkey. There are many, many Turkish expats in Europe.
      Was it Roosevelt who said ” Well, he may be a crook but he is our crook” ?

        1. Re. nick – God knows what is happening here. I did a computer clean up and restart and now if I even hover over a key it rushes into action. Off to investigate.


  4. And meanwhile in Turkey there are many women of all ages wondering if their sons, fathers, grandfathers, nephews, etc are okay and are they coming home soon. Very sad.

    1. Carol, To your point. In that Twitter feed, which is graphic, there are 1000s of young men…It will take years, if ever, to find out what happened to them or where they are.

      Any western government that supports Erdogan should be shamed.

  5. Where is teh won today following latest police murders in Baton Rouge? Golfing? I refuse to by the lame excuse that the job of POTUS is so stressful it requires R&R. He doesn’t know what real stress is….he should see battle on the front lines sometime. I have no respect for bho

    1. The Fundamental Transformation of America is progressing as planned.

      He is giving high fives to his Muslim Brotherhood administration.

    2. I am not on Twitter, but saw this linked to a comment on reputable blog. You should be able to access it. I went to check on situation in Baton Rouge which is also covered.

      i hesitate, but you are knowledgeable and mature people. You decide. It’s graphic but you are in control. It is not American and not MSM .

      Note — Obama is supporting the “democratically elected” Erdogan — who fled to Tehran, not a NATO country.

      Consider the inclusion of violence against the police in the US on this feed, Euro and Western support of Erdogan and increasing Muslim immigration. The idea that this could be us — the real globalism/multiculturalism that Obama is bringing is harder and harder to ignore.

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