In the history of mankind, many republics have risen, have flourished for a less or greater time, and then have fallen because their citizens lost the power of governing themselves and thereby of governing their state. TR


Saturday Open Thread || April 9, 2016

66 thoughts on “Saturday Open Thread || April 9, 2016”

  1. It seems that MrTrump is being schooled in what every non-billionaire, nobody special citizen learned years ago – the government/elites make the rules and the rules are fixed for them.
    Operating under the delusion that the election process is fair and honest, he and his minions believed that if you won the election, you win the delegates. Ah, not so.
    SenSanders and his supporters are learning the same thing – the game is rigged, fixed well before anyone picks up their gaming pieces.

    This weekend, MrObama tells a group of millionaire entertainers that MrTrump will NOT be elected President, assuring them that the progressive agenda will keep moving forward. Draconian regulations will be imposed on those who pollute our air, but they will still be allowed to fly their personal jets and be driven about in gas-guzzling vehicles. They can relax knowing that the Dems are doing all they can to dis-arm the public, even though most of the actors were made rich by the public who loved their shoot-em-up, blow it up, kill, maim and destroy movies.

          1. Yes, he is. Now he is pushing for Ex Im nominees confirmation. He should let these things lay. Lame Duck Presidency.

            I hope McConnell is afraid of a Trump win.

          2. I don’t think we will ever see Congressional cooperation ever again, Star. I think both sides are so obsessed with hanging onto power, and so bitter (remember, politicians aren’t opponents any more, they’re enemies according, that no matter what party the President belongs to, the opposite side will just oppose anything he/she proposes. It’s never going to be about what’s good for the country as a whole ever again. The only bipartisan decisions will be things so obvious even Bernie couldn’t oppose them or he’d lose his seat, or Congressional perks.

          3. I totally agree with you about Exec Orders, Star, but I don’t see these twits in Congress ever coming together. So then you’ll have laws like ObamaCare passed by the majority party.

      1. And you all did not believe me what I explained the Obama – ValJar connection to the Bilderberg Group. Via Vernon Jordan – ValJars relative.

        Bilderbergs are the elite, they control the media because they are the media.

        And CEO of many many Corporations.

        And major Politico’s from the western world.

    1. It’s starting to creep me out that Obama keeps saying that DJT NOT going to be President to his donors and at his press events. Almost as though he knows something sinister is about to happen. Or he knows the system is so rigged for Hillary he can guarantee it!

      I just don’t trust him, haven’t been able to since 2008.

      1. No doubt the system is rigged for Hillary.
        If you or I had done a small % of what she has done, we would be looking at the world through bars.

        Also, she knows where the skeletons are buried and would not hesitate to blow the whistle on him if she were indicted.

        Obama knows that and he will cover his a$$ as long as he can.

        1. “Also, she knows where the skeletons are buried and would not hesitate to blow the whistle on him if she were indicted.”

          And that is the truth. It’s a mutual (Hillary and Obama) blackmail agreement. The investigation will continue and the end result will be a recommended indictment (if even that) of some lower level Hillary aides who “misled” Hillary. Hillary will be cast as the “victim”, having relied on these “trusted” aides for her behavior. After it’s all over, Hillary and Obama will have a good laugh over the whole thing.

          1. Marcus that is what I keep thinking saying. They know to much about the other, so nothing will be done to her, nor him. Than on top of that, we have an empty seated Congress.

        1. They are deathly afraid of Trump.
          If he is elected, the party is over, you know, the one that put us 19 trillion $ in debt.
          Yeah,…that party.

          1. You actually think Trump would save the country money? That he could get the elimination of whole depts through Congress? How else would he save money? Not by building a gazillion dollar wall (say Mexico does not pay). Or by growing the econ–which may be a problem even at this anemic rate if we are in a trade war with a lot of countries. He says he can elim the $18-trill or is it $20? How?

          2. Star, He could start by cleaning out the bureaucracy that is responsible for the overbearing, very expensive, punitive, and restrictive regulations throughout the country. He could actually fire some people for non performance or perhaps for graft, corruption etc. Housecleaning you might say.Surely you might agree that DT is up to even the smallest of domestic chores.

          3. What you describe as domestic chores are under the RULES extremely daunting tasks–I don’t think anyone could get whole agencies eliminated…The only way I see to bring in more taxes to pay for infrastructure, vets, rebuilding the military, walls, etc is to increase the growth rate…and I don’t see that happening…

          4. To Star, yes lasers are really cool, some are hot.
            Technology is not what we are talking about here.
            We are speaking of politics.

            The Wright Brothers thought outside of the box too.

          5. I did not post that bec it had to do with this discussion except to the extent that the cliche about different results is just that a cliche…In themedical world, for example, there is controversy because many teams of researchers cannot get the same results with the same experiments–cannot replicate research…Oh, never mind–forget creativity…it sure has nothing to do with this race.

          6. Meaning? (Now we will really be off topic.) Most medical studies produce inconclusive results…the ones with neg results (where money comes in–hurting someone’s pocketbook) are often buried…Or it they are challenged by another research group trying to see if they get the same results, often they don’t….This is really in the weeds–I can hardly even remember why I raised it–probably because that supposed Einstein quote (may not have been him) is so overused…It’s not insane to try to get the same results…maybe even more than once.

          7. As far as what to do. The obvious thing to do is cut entitlements — I do not see Medicare as an entitlement. And before anyone starts Oh Noes We Cannot. Yes, we can. And we can start with entitlements or even one penny to an illegal how crosses this border. As for the supposed Syrian Refugees — nothing. They can be supported solely by religious, non profit and other groups who have allied with the government to bring them in. Any monies comes out of whatever monies the feds budgeted to these groups alone. Nothing from EBT, etc.

      2. I do agree DeniseVB. As well Him and company can slander or should I say, say things negative about our Country. That is time and time again. Travel to another Country and do so.

    1. Yes AF Vet: You drop in a link that is clearly Pro Trump. Not very democratic for someone who touts “fair voting” for people. So your solution, well I don’t like Ted Cruz, so we will just remove him from our ballot. Ted Cruz IS a natural born citizen. Get over yourself. This site is clearly pro Trump. And god forbid if ANYONE disagrees with any of you, you go Right into typical Trump Tantrum mode calling people liars slimes etc. I don’t know who I dislike more. Trump or his supporters. Feel free to start your hypocritical name calling…

      1. Not everyone here is a full time, no-other- candidate-will-do Trumpster. My sense is that most of us are still observing, thinking, comparing, favoring one, then the other candidate, and haven’t made a final decision yet. I go back and forth between Trump and Cruz, both have serious flaws and attractive qualities, like everyone else on the planet. But for R’s, those are the realistic and probable final choices, pre-convention. Some like Kasich, but unless there is some backroom skullduggery at the convention, he’ll wash out. The thing we are all (many, at least) concerned about is a brokered convention, and the subsequent manipulation of the now freed-up delegates, the unknown (currently) mystery candidates who might be parachuted into the convention. And if that happens, what about all those primaries and caucuses and the results thereof? Was that all a waste of time, energy and money? So there’s a lot of weird stuff floating in the air, as well and uncertainty (and strong suspicion) with the motivation and conniving we see with the folks in charge of this circus. That’s where I’m at right now, at least.

  2. About that round of fundraisers, I just had this mental image of Obama walking into a party, big glass coffee table in the middle, Obama with a “straw”, bending over, hoovering up all the money on the table, standing up, wiping his nose, a little nod to the host, and exit the room. That man can literally inhale money.

  3. Morning all,
    Over in Kansas this weekend and that means helping out the mom and the pop and getting back to roots. The ol JD Model 40 has its two new front tires on and some fence work stating shortly.
    I truly wish I could yank every inner city kid out of the hell holes the Dems have created for them and give em a chance at real “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” out here.
    NOW onto the elites rigging the election.
    Here’s your SHOT:
    There IS a way to keep BOTH D & R (if they keep Trump off) establishment candidates out of the WH. AND, it’s completely Constitutional and would blow up the power of both parties.
    CHASER comes on tomorrow open thread.
    But feel free to speculate on this thread. Lots of brain power here and I certainly wouldn’t bet against any of you figuring it out before I post the link.
    Off to the fence, have a great Saturday.

      1. It really wasn’t so much a tease as I was REALLY hoping to see you guys start putting forth some scenarios or theories. We cure can’t leave the fate of the Republic in my crazy ideas! lol

        1. The theories are everywhere Geoff, but we don’t know what is happening behind the scenes.

          They can change the rules ahead of every convention.

    1. I thought about this and this is my nightmare:
      BHO issues an EO that requires a constitutional convention. Congress rolls over as always.
      In the ensuing short lived convention, POTUS term limits are extended to 3-4 terms.
      BHO wins!
      Everyone else becomes a LO-SER! Just like he believes they are anyway simply because they are not HIM!

  4. Long time reader of “Mad Magazine” I never really considered seriously any possibility Alfred E. Neuman for president. This is Alfred’s year for sure. He just may be a good write in for 2016. False hope? Well I know about that first hand.

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