As of now, I am in control here, in the White House

93 Responses to Sunday Open Thread || March 2, 2014

  1. Just read an article on:
    The US & Britain “reaffirmed” its commitment to protect Ukraine’s borders in exchange for the nations giving up its nuclear weapons in a little known treaty as the “Budapest Memorandum” signed by former Pres. Bill Clinton in 1994.

    • I’m sure that Putin is brushing up on the Budapest Memorandum as we speak, and cowering in fear of the mighty Obama.
      The ‘costs’ that Obama suggested perhaps signifies that Putin and the Russians will be mandated to sign up for Obamacare.

        • Lee,…go to and create an account.
          It isn’t hard at all, just follow the prompts.
          You can also create an account at if you want to comment on the disqus threads.
          I use both.
          Maybe DeniseVB can help you along also.
          Good Luck !

          • Awww, sweet of you afvet to think I could be of tech help. :D

            I’m a huge fan of Disqus since you can post almost anywhere and keep track of the replies to your comments.

            Also let’s you post photos, videos and tweets. MOTUS is a great example of that. Never got a “posting too fast” msg there either (hint, hint Keefer/sarc)

          • I also like the fact that if you mess up the comment, they allow you to edit it.
            This site is a WordPress site but I think it is bare bones.
            I had some problems posting on Disqus until I changed my avatar.
            My handle is still AFVet over there.

  2. Hello there, I have just returned from a journey to Turkey . Very interesting and a little depressing. According to well informed Turks there is a slow but efficient Islamization going on. Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, decided to separate state and religion and he would be very unhappy about this development. I heard that Koran-schools ( madrasas) are all around, that veils and headscarves are tolerated even in official environments, that it is OK to drop out of school, that this and that is forbidden locally according to religious laws. And another thing that is seldom mentioned in Western press, the number of journalists in prison is staggering. We went from the Mediterranian coast over the impressive snowcapped Taurusmountains, across the Anatolian plains, to the mountaneous area where the first Christians established churches , this is where the apostle Paulus traveled in the early days. The Anatolyan plains looked, at least this time of the year, barren and deserted with houses that looked unfinished or unkempt. When we stopped in the villages we saw limping dogs, limping old women in veils and sad looking smoking men. It is a very poor region. Mosques everywhere of course ( part of the problem ? ). There are politicians here in Europe who want this country in the EU. But if this ever happens it will be a mortal blow to the EU. The costs will be enormous. The country is too poor, with a large backwards agriculture, I guess that tax collection doesn´t work, there is corruption and it is way too Muslim. It will be like Greece x 100. Turkish PM Erdogan is right now having great problems because of accusations of corruption and hidden money.

    • Good morning Swedishlady, Thanks for your information. Another example of how the internet has made this world a lot smaller.
      Do you have any landscape pictures you can share?

    • “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
      law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    • Thank you, Swedishlady, for telling us about your visit to Turkey. You’re the best kind of traveler, someone who notices the people and how they live, not just the monuments.

    • Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
      and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
      the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

    • Turkey, as you undoubtedly know, is a part of NATO. Until recently that was a good thing. But with the changes now, who knows?

      I spent a fair amount of time in Turkey and loved it. Now it is increasingly Islamic — as are so many places. In the 90s Central Asia was technically Muslim, but due to the Soviet efforts to eliminate religion there was scant evidence of Muslims or Islam, except for Uzbekistan. Now it is radicalizing.

      It is really a cultural revolution. Years ago, these countries and the ME — with so much history — were if not open, at least accessible. Now, you visit at your own risk. And I have done my fair share of visiting, living and working in some of these countries, as a woman alone. It’s very sad. Cultural isolation increases misunderstandings.

      For all the internet access we have, understanding requires human interaction. We will know more and see more and understand less.

      Hopefully there were some lovely times during your trip — it sounds quite thorough. And who doesn’t love the Turkish coast? And I remain a sucker for Istanbul.

      • Grace, I too think that it is a a fascinating country with a fascinating history that has left so many interesting traces. Such a pity if Islam is clamping down it´s iron fist on it all. Even if you are in a lovely Mediterranian city over there, the sound of the wailing from the minarets gives it a sinister impression. I can´t accept a religion so hostile to women.

    • Thanks for your travel report swedishlady. My fear is that the muslim takeover of the world is happening before our eyes and the corrupt leaders do nothing. Erdogan has reason to worry.

      It’s probably why we have so little respect for the Obamas and their preachy ways only to watch them live like a King and Queen blowing through taxpayer cash to vacay and attend fundraisers.

      Then there’s our oppo party that does nothing to stop the bleeding. I’m not sure which side disgusts me more these days.

        • Erdogan is THE reason Turkey is being Islamicized. Why else has Obama shown such favoritism toward Erdogan – inviting him to the WH and fawning all over him. Doing a joint presser with him, for pete’s sake. Talking about how much they have in common, include their two teen-aged daughters. It was a love fest.

          And don’t forget, it was Obama who forced Netanyahu to call Erdogan during his historic pilgrimage to Israel last year. Told Bibi to call and apologize for the 4 Turks that were killed during the flotilla attack. Why Bibi did it, I will never understand.

          Erdogan also denies the Armenian genocide – even tore down the Statue of Humanity on the Turk/Armenia border that represented rapprochement between the two countries. He called it a ‘freak’ and said it obscured the view of the shrine to an 11th c. islamic scholar.

      • I think that it is ironic that Obama plays both sides of the fence.
        One side allows him to live a lavish lifestyle while nourishing the love affair with the Muslims and their ideology who disdain the ‘western’ way of life.

        • “Muslims and their ideology who disdain the ‘western’ way of life.”

          And, Islam has an abiding hatred of the individual.

          It’s like Communism on LSD.

        • Good point, AFVet! I have come to the conclusion that Obama is simply amoral – no values, religious beliefs, or ideological principles. The only altar he worships in front of is the mirror on the wall. It’s all about himself and how much he can pillage and plunder from the country he has no affection for. At the end of the day, Obama and the wife count their money – not their blessings.

      • Denise, the Saudis are financing many mosques in Europe. I believe that it is one of the reasons the “rightist” parties will win voters in the upcoming elections.

  3. More than 10 knife-wielding attackers slashed people at a train station in southwestern China late Saturday in what authorities called a terrorist attack by Uighur separatists, and police fatally shot five of the assailants, leaving 34 people dead and 130 others injured, state media said.

  4. In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

      • Is this hate on Muslims day? I didn’ty get the memo. I know some lovely people here in the US who are Muslims and haven’t oppressed anyone in what..hours now. We didn’t take the founding fathers as gospel on slavery, did we?

        • And what do the lovely Muslim people say about the be-headings that their radical brothers commit across the world ?
          What do they say about the radicals killing Christians or Jews just because they don’t believe in Allah ?
          What do they say about the denial of young girls and women an education ?
          What do they say about genital mutilation ?
          Why aren’t they standing up against these abominations ?

          This is not bash Muslim day, this is common sense day and as far as I am concerned, the majority of the people that post on this comment section have a high degree of common sense and an excellent education in history.

        • Slavery ?
          What the hell does slavery have to do with this conversation ?
          Oh, wait a minute,…you mean the way they treat the females !
          OK,….now I got it.

          • I meant somehow saying our founding fathers were Muslim experts–see cites above. Come on, you know what I meant. As for generalizing about religions, when you hear a fundamentalist Christian say the man is the head of the household, do you counter this? My friends are lovely people–the wives of Muslim doctors and professionals in their own right. They studied to convert, converted happily, maintain Muslim households, and not because they are the property of their husbands. They are also under no obligation to denounce other Muslims unless they want to. Not denouncing does not mean accepting.

          • What do they think about the impositions of Sharia Law ?
            Would they rebel against it or accept it ?
            Would they be forced to accept it under penalty of death ?

          • Dr. Hatem al-Haj, a senior committee member for the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA), confirmed in the below fatwa from July 2011 that the Islamic punishment for apostasy is death. A couple of things stand out to me about this fatwa.

            First, this fatwa was taken down from AMJA’s website as far back as October 2011, along with other fatwas on the same topic, possibly in response to an article written by my colleague Andrew Bostom exposing the rulings in that same month. (See the fatwa on, while the link on AMJA’s website is broken.) So either AMJA changed their minds about the penalty for apostasy; or, more likely, they just don’t want non-Muslims seeing what they really think on controversial topics. If that’s the case, then what else are they not telling us?

        • Day? I don’t need a “day” to despise honor-killing, splodey-dopes, decapitation and Shariah. And, I don’t need your permission to speak out against them. If you don’t like my posts, don’t read them.

  5. Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus,

  6. I have been reading tweets on the BBC.
    At 16:51 man commented:
    It was reported that 27,000 people marched in Moscow in a show for the Kremlin, but this figure is deceiving. Friend of his in Moscow tell him that many were forced to go by their Companies (Government Employees, teachers, civil servants, and those who work for large Russian Corps), but they do not agree with Russians military intervention. Putins only aim is to bring on a Civil War to Ukraine, than his presence is justified there.

  7. And so it begins. The Islamization of Turkey. Sad. Thanks, swedishlady, for your first hand observations.

    Interesting turn of events in the never ending saga of the Erdogan family/govt. corruption. It’s no wonder he has imprisoned more journalists than any other country in the world. (Obama must be green with envy).

    Corruption scandal closing in on Erdogan after telephone tapes

    If proven authentic, these calls could foment the political revolution that the Turkish opposition has sought in vain for almost a dozen years.

    • Erdogan is just trying to make up for lost casino revenue. Back in 1998, when he was still the mayor of Ankara, he closed all 79 casinos in the country. It actually marked the beginning of the Islamization of Turkey.

    • Both State Department officials contacted by the American Media Institute regarding al-Nabulsi’s visa referred to his retraction and suggested that “false reporting” was responsible for the furor over his visa. SNIP

      Just like those people who lied about losing their insurance, and those phony IRS and Benghazi scandals.

  8. How many people think this issue of down sizes our Miitary will push futhur? Even if this whole issue in Ukraine suddenly ends, this should be a wake up call that we cannot take want was promised to our Military.

  9. Here’s an interesting find from Yahoo;

    The piece shows different warnings given to people from other countries on what to expect when visiting America. They are humorous and sometimes strange, but gives a peek into how other countries view us.

    What is more interesting though are the 3,000+ comments from people who have visited those foriegn countries and their experiences there. There’s also a lot of thought as to why one part of the US is so radically different from the other, and why it’s almost impossible to define Americans as …xxx or yyyy.

    I enjoy reading DavidGreenfield’s “Sultan Knish” blog and find his views most interesting. On one occasion wherein he wrote about his beloved NewYorkCity, it struck me that he could have been relating incidents from a foriegn country, as the events in NYC (and the people there) are unlike anything we experience here in Arizona.
    The same sentiments are given in the comments to the Yahoo piece when someone relates that people and the customs of Austin Texas are so radically different from the same in Boston or Miami.

    • I will hold on to this. Thanks.
      Australia: Say we are ver opinionated. Spot on!
      One comment did not say what Country, but
      they were fasinated by the Whirlpool in the toliets.
      Last one I am noting:
      Americans are use to smiling from the cradle.

    • Greenfield’s articles are a must read and I have posted many of them my FB page as ‘brain food’. It’s a pity that he gets minimal coverage, while the NYT, some late-night talk show or a variety of other idiots get wide coverage. It’s one of my daily delights, that I can read the posts here and know that I am in the company of well-read and knowledgeable readers on a broad range of topics on and off the pages of the news.

  10. Quick tour of the internet news etc. Looks like this Ukraine “thing” might hang be a bigger deal than Obama wants. After all, it does involve international “balance of power” — which is looking a little lopsided to the Red at the moment.

    Plus it looks like some people are bugging the EU about it — this, of course, makes them turn to President Pen and Phone since they don’t want to do anything alone. Seems an upset in EE might eventually impact WE — so there is that.

    Just all so, so, so … bothersome.
    Somewhere — I can’t remember where — maybe National Review Online Krauthamer had a thoughtful piece which included things that could be done . Rather than oh woe is me there is nothing we can do,. For what it’s worth.

  11. Kerry on his way to Kiev. Or Kyiv as he tweeted.

    Just had a funny thought — what if Vlad offers to trade Snowden for Kerry. Just amusing myself.

  12. Samantha Power not going over to well in Ukraine.
    “So Power is echoing misinformation from the Russian camp. Perhaps this is a call for calm, to let the Crimeans know that the United states respects their rights and is worried about their fate. Or perhaps it’s just an early indication that the US is afraid to act on this crisis out of fear that they’ll be associated with a revolution that Moscow calls a Nazi resurgence in Europe. Regardless, it’s propagating a myth that originated not in the streets of Ukraine but in the pages of the Kremlin’s playbook.”

    ******* This is from Ukraine Liveblog and the reporting includes full texts of Obama , Putin, Power and others. It is quite thorough.

    Someone here, and regrettably I forget who, provided this link a few days ago. thanks.

    Also — since it is Oscar night — a tip to American movies —

    “The scrappy independent Crimean Tatar TV station ATR is still on the air, after a night of rolling “The Patriot” with Mel Gibson (on the American revolution) mixed with webcam footage of the armed men strolling up and down their parking lot outside. ”

    • “The scrappy independent Crimean Tatar TV station ATR is still on the air, after a night of rolling “The Patriot” with Mel Gibson (on the American revolution)….”

      It’d be hilarius if it ran “Red Dawn”.

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