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Sunday Open Thread – November 3, 2013

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148 Responses to Sunday Open Thread – November 3, 2013

  1. The WashPost has an interesting background piece of how the ACA became the twisted mess it is today. It seemed the WhiteHouse’s greatest fear was that the Repubs would find out what they were doing and somehow use it to their advantage because of the massive opposition.
    Along with the Dems aversion to accepting advice from professionals who knew how difficult it is to form a start-up, was the absolute incompetence of those charged with the task. Added to that was the daunting problem of inventing different state exchanges that they never thought they would have to do.

    They completely ignored the constant polling that showed that most Americans did not want the ACA, and assumed that they would prevail because it was the ‘law’ so everyone would just fall in line.
    The complete failure of the website on Oct 1 was a shock to everyone but the contractors who warned that they weren’t ready.

    IMO, the WhiteHouse has underestimated the damage of MrO’s lies, and the fear and anger that has spread beyond those who have lost their insurance recently.

    • Storm clouds gathering! The Masters of Deceit – the tangled, mangled web….it’s all good.

      Is it just me, or are the writers of this piece subtly trying to protect Obama – putting the blame on everyone butt the guy in charge?

      “It was not ready even though, for months beginning last spring, the president emphasized the exchange’s central importance during regular staff meetings to monitor progress. No matter which aspects of the sprawling law had been that day’s focus, the official said, Obama invariably ended the meeting the same way: “All of that is well and good, but if the Web site doesn’t work, nothing else matters.”

      Why would HHS use a ‘simplified demonstration app” for Obama aides just weeks before the launch? It worked beautifully, according to the report. Didn’t it supposedly crash two days before the rollout? In fact, it wasn’t even tested end-to-end until days before the rollout …and it failed.

      In any event, Obamacare is doomed to go down in the history books as the single worst act of incompetence…ever. This is only Act One. Act Two is a year away with the estimated 93M employees who will join the 15M individuals who are losing their H/C as a result of Obama’s BIG LIE. “If you like your (sub-standard) plan – you can keep it. Period!”

      Funny, he never once mentioned anything about ‘sub-standard’ plans in the five years preceding the Oct 1 rollout.

      The Sunday morning programs should be most interesting today….

      • Not just you. I find the quote you cite as typical above-all-exonerate-Obama stuff. And it’s difficult for me to believe it because Obama is not a hands on person: he leaves everything in the middle for his bureaucrats to work out. He is only the bully pulpit man and wants to come in at the end like a deus ex machina and claim all the glory.

    • Interesting article, srdem. Sure does seem like state-run media is still trying to cover for their failed messiah. If you believe them, Preezy was involved throughout the whole design and implementation process, but was lied to by his own people. If that’s true, why hasn’t there been mass firings of those who betrayed his trust? Probably because it is all part and parcel of the big lie.

      With his 21+ hour filibuster of Obamacare before its October 1 debut, Senator Cruz exposed the con and forced the Democrat party and their acolytes to defend their ill-fated boondoggle. That exposure put the failed roll-out of Obamacare front and center in the public arena, and, hopefully, may have put the final nail in the coffin of socialized health care in America.

    • In good part this is a let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag article, but the WaPo doesn’t fail to disappoint. The evil GOP is still a heavy motif running through the piece.

      In this age when the NSA can spy on billions of people and each and every piece of communication between them, it is surprising that the Obama people were so inept at putting together their webs of deception. One decision that has doomed Obamacare was that of going for such a comprehensive bill. When Roosevelt rolled out SS, he did it step by step. Obama’s insistence on rushing socialized medicine was naive and megalomaniac at the same time. The WaPo is protectlng Obama in the end by blaming everyone else.

      • That’s why the GOP and especially the republican conservatives had better take this opportunity to ram home the fact that not one of them voted for this debacle.
        We need to put Harry Reid on the back bench in 2014.

    • I think the Washington Post article is selling the message that the law’s rollout has been a failure for technical reasons.
      Somehow it was not managed properly. It is attempting to deflect attention away from costs. Even now, the premium costs are too high, and going much higher. Those costs are being driven from these guideline principles in the law: 1) too many expensive mandated free benefits, 2) community rating: premiums can take into account only your location (county I believe), age, married or single, or smoking status, 3) no preexisting condition exclusion, and 4) no cap on benefits. And the penalties for not having insurance are too low. What drove this law’s implementation was ideology, not an interest in a fair and efficient health care system for Americans. They didn’t want to hear what business and insurance experts had to say.

      One small sample from the law. A rule issued by HHS states that if a policy lapses for non payments, claims must continue to be paid from 90 days (not the usual 30 days). You can buy a policy, cancel after 30 days and get another 90 days for free. Who will eat those costs?: the hospitals and providers. Who does this benefit? At least the Dems are consistent.

      Right now only those with chronic health problems, the high users, are signing up. Imagine what the now unlimited and uncapped doctor visits for substance abuse will cost. If the healthy don’t start signing up soon, the the premium increases that will go out October 1, 2014, will be huge. This law will fail once people understand the massive premium transfers that are taking place, not because of it’s implementation.

      • Excellent, excellent observation! Post this on facebook…the only way I know to reach some of my lib acquaintances and other dems with this info.

  2. I just keep wondering if this is the hope & change folks voted for in 2008: expensive health insurance built on twisted language.

    That’s it. This will consume the last 3 years of his term. His legacy: health insurance. um ok…

      • Meanwhile, Panetta is wagging the dog at an ADL gathering – ”
        “We may have to use military force against Iran”. He suddenly realized Khamenei is never going to give up uranium enrichment and the ‘bomb’ is just one month away. More ‘red lines’ coming?

          • If he can find a crisis to hang his hat on. Tough to do in the ME while he is all kissing in a tree with Iran. But then there is Africa — probably ripe for the picking.

            Perhaps he’ll have to settle for some homegrown terrorists — a racist coven of white conservative Christians stirring up a brew somewhere.

          • Michelle Obama’s Mirror points out that the next ‘pivot’ or ‘squirrel’ is global warming. Obama just issued a pompous fiat on it and formed a commission of czars.

          • This has been on Obama agenda since day one — global warming/climate change. After securing the gift of Secretary of State Kerry was asked what was the biggest threat to national security and he said “global warming” or he said “climate change” — (I am unclear on the distinction ). It’s like an old bathrobe you just can’t give up.

          • You ever wonder what happened to all those Czars — who are they .– I can’t remember — where are they– who knows. For sure, they are on the payroll.

  3. This is funny and interesting — at Twitter and Tumblr there is a show me your cancellation link. People showing their faces with letters of cancellation. Looks like Twitter tried to suspend the account. Twitter to go public and apparently they hired the woman who fired Juan Williams and who herself got let go at NPR to be Twitter Head of News Content. FB for sure has a tendency to interfere with some more conservative things as does Twitter, though less so. Anyhow, here is link. I am all for citizen pressure.

  4. Jim Angle shares disturbing experience with Obamacare 800 number

    Just by giving them his name and address, the ObamaCare navigator was able to discern that Angle was a reporter, and thus not worthy of the ‘equal protection’ given everyone else. This is scary. It shows that this program has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with slavery. These ObamaCare navigators have an immense system of record-keeping at their disposal that has not been seen since the days of the National Socialists in 1930s Germany.

    Ah, Mr. Angle, it says here that you are Jewish. There will be someone coming by your house real soon to answer your questions in person . . .

    • So….they give the navigators an ‘enemies’ list replete with phone numbers collected by NSA spies and instruct them not to talk to them. No surprise here.

    • The LSM totally ignored the fact that she sat on the Treehouse Foods Board of Directors up until the community organizer declared his 2008 presidential run. She resigned b/c Treehouse was a supplier to Walmart. It wouldn’t look good for BHO’s union thug supporters. Hypocrites – both of them!

      Wait and see. She will be sitting on all of these Boards once she’s out of ‘prison’. She will never run for office – she’s just as lazy as her partner in crime.

        • They are not volunteers-you are correct. However, she will have no problem being invited to sit on as many as traffic will allow. What I mean by ‘lazy’ is…the mtgs are usually 4x a year and do not require much due dilligence. And yes, they pay extremely well-including stock options in most cases.

        • According to the article, she was paid to use her photo and have her name on the Board of Directors’ letterheads. I doubt MO lifted a finger. The new Mrs. U.S. Senator was moving on up at the time. :D

  5. Repeated from a post I saw elsewhere:

    ► I vote Democrat because I think it’s better to pay billions of dollars to people who hate us rather than drill for our own oil, because it might upset some endangered beetle or gopher.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe it is okay if liberal activist judges rewrite the Constitution to suit some fringe kooks, who would otherwise never get their agenda past the voters.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe that corporate America should not be allowed to make profits for themselves or their shareholders. They need to break even and give the rest to the federal government for redistribution.

    ► I vote Democrat because I’m not concerned about millions of babies being aborted, so long as we keep all of the murderers on death row alive.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe it’s okay if my Nobel Peace Prize winning President uses drones to assassinate people, as long as we don’t use torture.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe people, who can’t accurately tell us if it will rain on Friday, can predict the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Chevy Volt.

    ► I vote Democrat because Freedom of Speech is not as important as preventing people from being offended.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe the oil companies’ profit of 3% on a gallon of gas is obscene, but the federal government taxing that same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t obscene.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority ….. but sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are all values-neutral.

    ► I vote Democrat because I agonize over threats to the natural environment from CO2, acid rain and toxic waste ….. but I am totally oblivious of the threats to our social environment from pornography, promiscuity and family dissolution.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe lazy, uneducated stoners should have just as big a say in running our country as entrepreneurs who risk everything and work 70 hours per week.

    ► I vote Democrat because I don’t like guns ….. so no one else should be allowed to own one.

    ► I vote Democrat because I see absolutely no correlation between welfare and the rise of illegitimacy.

    ► I vote Democrat because I see absolutely no correlation between judicial leniency and surging crime rates.

    ► I vote Democrat because I believe marriage is obsolete, except for homosexuals.

    ► I vote Democrat because I think AIDS is spread by insufficient funding.

    ► I vote Democrat because I think “fairness” is far more important than freedom.

    ► I vote Democrat because I think an “equal outcome” is far more important than equal opportunity.


    ►And lastly, I vote Democrat because I’m convinced that government programs are the solution to the human condition, NOT freedom….

        • Me, either. I just read a basically illiterate quote from some dude big in social media (dumb term, all media is social) that said if “the old guard did not get it they could go to hell.” What goes around comes around, guy.

      • I always thought once you registered with the Communist party, you were married to it like the mob, and could never leave with your reputation and livelihood intact. My opinion seems to be supported by the writings of Whittaker Chambers and David Horowitz after they rejected communism.

        If you don’t mind my asking, what was the catalyst for your change in ideology? Also, were you ostracized like Chambers and Horowitz for your change in beliefs? You must be a very strong person, Mandy. I admire your ability to see communism for the strife and enslavement it causes, and your courage of conviction to choose liberty.

        • I became a Communist because of my age and naivete. I’d moved from a small town in the Smokey Mountains to Seattle, and I’d never seen homeless people before. Amidst all the wealth and ease of the majority, I saw people without food, without homes, without anything but the rags on their backs.

          I didn’t realize at the time that many–if not the majority–were homeless because they had been kicked out of mental institutions once a bunch of Progs had determined that they should not be confined if they weren’t threats to themselves or others, that Jimmah Carter’s Commission on Mental Health had supported–and, furthered–this travesty.

          So, I became a Commie. I immersed myself in studying Kant, Hegel, Marx, Marcuse, et al. The proxy war in Nicaragua and Honduras caught my attention. I don’t know exactly what it was, but I suddenly realized that the real colonizers were the Soviets.

          I realized that any nation that has to wall off its people, that would shoot anyone who wants to leave, was not a nation to which I owed any allegiance. I didn’t buy the bullshit that despite the flaws of Soviet Marxism, Communism was the answer to human nature. In fact, Communism perverts human nature

          By taking away the individual’s right to the fruits of her labor, Communism makes the entire society greedy by demanding the individual give up the rewards of her work. And, it’s counter-productive in the long haul because who wants to work if your efforts aren’t rewarded? Why bust your butt if you can’t buy a faster car, a bigger house, a pair of Prada pumps?

          But, what about those who don’t have even a pair of shoes? Who live in a cardboard box? If they’re insane, put them someplace safe where they can get their meds, be fed and clothed. And, I’m right back to the problem of those without homes. We can’t go back to just warehousing people. That’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.

          When I was done, I was done. I turned my back and walked away.

          • Thank you, Mandy. Good to have you on the right side. As Ben Franklin once said, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

          • I knew exactly what FCMABBHO when I first “saw” him. In short order, I also knew he was a narcissist intent on punishing this nation for the perceived slights inflicted on him during his privileged childhood.

          • “Perhaps Communists had wormed their way so deeply into our government on both the working and planning levels that they were able to exercise an inordinate degree of power in shaping the course of America in the dangerous postwar era.

            I could not help wondering and worrying whether we were faced with open enemies across the conference table and hidden enemies who sat with us in our most secret councils.” – General Mark Clark (1896-1984)

  6. Justin Hadley logged on to to evaluate his insurance options after his health plan was canceled. What he discovered was an apparent security flaw that disclosed eligibility letters addressed to individuals from another state.


    After multiple attempts to access the problem-plagued website, Hadley finally made it past the registration page Thursday. That’s when he was greeted with downloadable letters about eligibility — for two people in South Carolina.


    Hadley wrote to Heritage on Thursday night and also contacted the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which administers, as well as elected officials in his state. He has yet to hear back from HHS, even though still displays the personal information of the South Carolina residents on his account.


  7. A Marine could get booted from the Corps because he tried to warn other Marines in Afghanistan about a pedophile member of the Taliban.

    From the story:

    Carroll said “within minutes” Brezler wrote his colleagues back at Forward Operating Base Delhi in Afghanistan, with a warning about Jan. He attached to the e-mail a classified document that included allegations about Jan, claiming he had ties to the Taliban.

    “Jason immediately responded with everything he knew, including some extraordinarily derogatory information he knew about this man indicating that he was a threat not only to local children but to Marines,” Carroll said. “When the Marines in Afghanistan wrote back saying that some of that information might have been classified, (Brezler) immediately turned himself in.”

    In retrospect, some observers believe this was a breach of security that could have saved lives.

    On August 10, 2012, less than two weeks after Brezler’s warning, three Marines were shot to death in the gym at FOB Delhi. Their names were Staff Sgt. Scott Dickinson, Cpl. Richard Rivera and Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley.

    The suspected gunman was a teenage servant, known by the single Afghan name Aynoddin, who was working on the base for Jan.


    — Did Sarwar Jan commit sex crimes against juveniles while on U.S. Defense Department facilities?

    — Did Jan use U.S. government funds to procure his victims?

    — Why was Jan reportedly dismissed as district police chief? Why was he reappointed?


  8. Yet another failure in the Common Core regime. This school spent $6,000.00 for a book for ninth graders that is filled with some gosh-awful stuff.

    From the link:

    At one point, the young narrator vividly describes his father’s penis. At another point, as The Guardian explains, he voyeuristically watches a couple having sex and details the sounds made by the woman involved.


    One teacher at the meeting, Newburgh Free Academy English teacher Jen Costabile, said that the Common Core’s porn problem is broader than just this one book. She said at least three books “contain passages using inappropriate language and visual imagery that most people would consider pornographic,” according to The Record.


  9. Egypt’s first freely elected president, Mohamed Mursi, goes on trial on Monday under a security crackdown that has devastated his Muslim Brotherhood movement and raised concerns that the army-backed government is reimposing a police state. Mursi, who was ousted by the army on July 3 after mass protests against his rule, is due to appear in court at the same Cairo police academy where autocrat Hosni Mubarak also faces trial following his own overthrow in 2011.


    When the army ousted Mursi, it promised a political roadmap would lead to free elections. What followed was one of the harshest clampdowns on the Brotherhood, which is now struggling to survive after enduring state repression for decades.



    When Keith leaves us to be our own talk show hosts, and one of us one enters into a new topic on an open thread, how about using all caps to say what the topic is, like


    …..then go on and chat.

    I like to read everything here and am sometimes not sure what the conversation is about, especially in a long comment.

    I’m open to any other ideas, all caps doesn’t have to be the definitive. Or at all if I get booed down.

  11. You gotta’ love “cookies”. I was on another site reading a book thread. And I commented on an author. Then I decided to go to Amazon to write a product review and lo and behold there were books by the author I had just commented on.

    I say this to scoff at any illusion that anything online, including a locked secured government site, is private.

  12. Forbes’ most powerful person in the world doesn’t like certain words.

    Russia’s media watchdog agency has forced the closure of a news organization due to “obscene wording.” On Thursday, a court accepted the request by the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media, or Roskomnadzor, and revoked the license of the Rosbalt news agency. The judges justified the decision by claiming Rosbalt had repeatedly used Russian swear words.


    Russian President Vladimir Putin criminalized the spread of swears in early April, when he approved a change to the country’s media law. The media watchdog agency sent warning letters to editors explaining that spreading swears represented a “misuse of press freedom.”


  13. […] Sunday Open Thread – November 3, 2013 It seemed the WhiteHouse's greatest fear was that the Repubs would find out what they were doing and somehow use it to their advantage because of the massive opposition. … Sorry, don't mean to intrude on open thread! …. Those costs are being driven … Read more on White House Dossier […]

  14. Grammar question for the floor.

    Normally, I’m not one to second-guess a lyric from VNV Nation, but I have to wonder in print what’s up with the song “If I Was.” It’s from their latest album, “Transnational,” out next week in the US, I think, though die-hards like me will go the import route every time.

    But that’s a whole other story.

    Take a look at these lyrics:

    The light of day is fading, to bid the darkness in;
    When empty smiles can never hide the hollowness within.
    My thoughts race by, like the scene outside, through the windows of the train.
    I could cover my eyes, but never hide from the promises I made.

    If I was a better man, a poor man, or a king,
    Would I have the strength to start again, walk the path that called to me?
    Somewhere out there, waiting, is a place where I’ll know peace;
    Calling out and beckoning, were I a poor man or a king.

    The station long departed, my fate entrusted to the rails;
    No certain destination, except the life I hope to make.
    But were the choice presented, I couldn’t relinquish or bequeath,
    The walls I built around the truths I closely guard within.

    If I was a better man, a poor man, or a king,
    Would I have the strength to start again, walk the path that called to me?
    Somewhere out there, waiting, is a place where I’ll know peace;
    Calling out and beckoning, be I a poor man or a king.

    Give me your hand. Take your place here, next to me.
    Let us walk this road together, no matter where it leads.
    Put aside your burdens; put away your fears.
    Or I’ll carry them, as I’d carry you, until the very end.

    Somewhere out there, waiting, is a place where we’d know peace;
    That calls to us, that beckons us, a place where we’d be free.

    (Put aside your burdens; put away your fears.
    I’d carry them, as I carry you, until the very end.) (x2)

    Somewhere out there waiting, is a place where we’d know peace;
    Calling out and beckoning, a place where we’d be free.

    I’m quoting the whole thing because the ending puts the beginning in a different light. At the beginning, the speaker is on a train, evidently alone with his thoughts; and then about halfway in, he’s with someone else and walking. What THAT is all about, we could probably discuss until next Sunday.

    But my original question was meant to be: is it If I was a better man, or If I were a better man? I must admit, mood was the part of my English classes that absolutely killed me. There’s a reason that lyricist Ronan Harris went with that somewhat awkward-sounding formation. I’m trying to figure out what it is.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, gang.

    • Hazarding a guess. I suspect you could do either was or were the beginning, but the way the lyrics are written it would be awkward to say –Calling out and beckoning, was I poor man or a king. Later he changes it to Calling and beckoning, be I poor man or king.

      Perhaps it’s just a simple matter of wanting to mix it up for some reason not relating to rules or grammar.

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