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Obama: I didn’t Set a Red Line; Congress and the World Did

President Obama today sought to shift responsibility for his famous “red line” for action against Syria for the use of chemical weapons, saying his statement was no more than a response to “red lines” effectively drawn by Congress and the international community.

“I didn’t set a red line: the world set a red line,” Obama said, referring to an international treaty banning the use of chemical weapons. And Congress, Obama said, “set a red line when it ratified that treaty.”

The president spoke during a press conference with Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt of Sweden, where Obama arrived today for a visit.

Contrary to some reporting that suggests Obama spoke extemporaneously when he drew the red line, Obama said his comments a year ago were deliberate.

“That wasn’t something I just kind of made up,” Obama said. “I didn’t just pull it out of thin air.” He added that therefore, the decision about whether to go ahead with an attack Syria is not a test of his credibility, but a test of the credibility of Congress and America to act on its outrage at the chemical weapons attacks.

Obama did not respond to a question about whether he would act on his own if Congress failed to approve an attack on Syria, saying, “I believe that Congress will approve it.” But he added, “I do not believe that I was required to take this to Congress.”

Obama said the decision to take the matter to Congress had been “brewing in my mind for some time,” suggesting it was not a sudden change of course, as some have charged.

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136 thoughts on “Obama: I didn’t Set a Red Line; Congress and the World Did”

  1. He’s backing out….which is very good!
    Screw Israel, screw its people & screw those in congress more dedicated to her than the US.
    Want to reduce terror? stop dropping high explosives on other people’s kids & countries, and stop giving Israel the bombs to do it too.

      1. No, I’m a rightwing Libertarian who’s just as dedicated to America as so many Jews & Christian Zionists are to Israel.
        Much of our terror is due to Israel & this is seen in the fact that the US NEVER had Muslim terror prior to Israel getting its hooks in our congress via AIPAC.
        How would you like being an Israeli citizen & being forced to support some all Christian government in some foreign land that generated the enmity of the world towards your nation for it?
        I didn’t think so.

        1. Would you be happy if all European Jews had been killed by the Nazis? Would you be happy if Nazi Germany had defeated the Allies in the Middle East and killed all the Jews in that region?

        2. “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

          “A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among

          “Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at
          every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

          Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green Co., 1899).

          1. What a great excerpt. You always impress me with your knowledge of history and with the things you have read. Churchill was so prescient back in 1899.

          2. My knowledge is not so great. I just know a thing or two about the expasionist nature of Islam. The current installment in its history of war against infidels is framed within the Arab-Israeli conflict, but if Israel had never been founded, Islamists would still be striving to establish a global caliphate.

            I wonder if Dave’s ever heard of the Barbary Wars we fought.

          3. A “hit and run” jihadi disguised as libertarian dave, a drive-by bull-shooter, who fires blanks and runs away.

            Never Get Into A Battle of Wits With An Unarmed Opponent.

          4. In answer to your post at 12:02:

            Churchill served in the British military in India, Egypt and the Sudan for about three years before he wrote the book from which I quoted. From what I know of Islam, he nailed it.

          5. Just watched a PBS on Churchill very good. One of my
            favorites was his insight and distrust of Stalin. He was very
            depressed and saddened when Roosevelt warmed to him
            and Winston was almost alone. Love Churchill never be

          6. He was a giant among statesmen.
            If you haven’t already, man I suggest reading any one of Wm. Manchester’s 3 volume set on Churchill ” The Last Lion ” ?

          7. Those words probably account for Churchills bust being banished from the Oval Office …and that he then lied about sending it back…Well, he relies on the good graces of others while having none himself.


    From the article:
    As the president has weighed military action, talk of a moral response to the atrocity has been clouded by a discussion of how America’s reputation would suffer if Obama did not act. A year ago, Obama said Syria’s use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line.” If you read his entire answer, Obama tries to dilute his comment almost immediately. He says his “calculus” and his “equation” would change, words that are meant to give him room to move. He didn’t want to box himself into a military-only response. But when you use terms like “red line,” it tends to make people not listen to the rest of the sentence. That’s why you use the term in the first place.

    And that’s what I found in about 30 seconds on Google. A full minute will probably give the full quote.

    Any other lies you care to peddle, Mr. President? Google remembers everything..

    1. “Google remembers everything..”

      Too bad his followers could care less. They seem to remember nothing unless is has to do with Bush or evil Republicans.

      1. They were discussing this on Morning Joe–and all I could think about was Howard Dean’s hair. Someone please take away his Grecian Formula–he looks like Saul on Breaking Bad.

  3. Obama is a joke and now the whole world knows it. He is far and away the worst President this country has ever seen and it is strictly his policies that suck not the fact he is half white.

  4. Barry is a brilliant politician. He knows that he has no domestic opposition, and because he has already lost his credibility with the world, he can say whatever he wants to.

  5. You didn’t really think he was going to take responsibility for his mistakes now did you? Probably we will find out in the days to come it was Bush all along who said this and Obama was only trying to help all the little old ladies get their medicine. Wow, we will feel silly then.

  6. POTUS sounds like a teenager clumsily trying to fast talk his way out of a self-inflicted jam, and the 4th-rate jackasses surrounding him in the White House, who think their post-modern, after-the-fact rationalizations actually move people, are an embarrassment. Considering what self-absorbed fools they are, they all display an astonishing lack of self-awareness.

  7. I’m amazed at Mr. Obama’s inability to take responsibility for his own words even. It is incredible that he is now thrusting this before Congress, and suggesting that it is their decision to make. The political stunts never cease; instead of being about thousands of Syrians who died in the gas attack, its’ about Obama and gamesmanship. There is no end to his shameful behavior!

  8. We all need to pray this man just goes home and plays. Funny how Keith’s earlier article was about going to church, think I will. Boy are we in trouble with this guy making fools of all Americans.

    1. My husband and I were just saying a moment ago that he has promised all kinds of things to individuals in the Congress to get their support. So in the end they are complicit with him in making fools of all the rest of us.

      1. Let’s draw a red line around Obama. Next time he makes these promises, or tries to raise taxes, or insults conservatives, or well, we know the list, we can say, :”Hey, you crossed the red line again!”

  9. “Oh … and by the way … that whole thing about the President honoring the Constitution was the idea of those radical founding fathers. Not my idea either.”

  10. Regardless of who set the Red Line, this moron set the consequences if Syria crossed it. And now it appears the unprincipled, spineless clowns in congress will vote in favor just to protect his credibility??? (Just sitting here shaking my head, and seriously wondering why I’m a veteran?)

    1. Eric: We’re all shaking our heads and wondering. Hard to fathom how he got elected twice. Children, who have been abused, tend to marry abusers is the only answer I can come up with.

  11. Obama said this Morning that the Rebels do not have the capability to deliver these Weapons but this UN Official says they have strong evidence from previous use of the WMDs that the Rebels used the weapons , so this Contradicts Obamas Claim about the rebels not having the capability !!!!!.
    We do not know who used the WMDs , and we do not know whose WMDs they are either .
    Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad’s regime: U.N. official

    So with that Information known There may be more here than meets the eye !!!!
    Is the Syrian Limited Strike to Cover up the Iraqi WMDs ???
    Congress Needs to be Asking Clapper because Even James Clapper, now the
    Director of National Intelligence and formerly the director of the National
    Geospatial Intelligence Agency, said in 2003 that he believed materials had
    been moved out of Iraq in the months before the war and cited satellite

    Whose Weapons are
    they trying to target in this Limited Strike ???

    If the Bashar
    al-Assad regime falls, and should the securing of the chemical and biological
    stockpiles of Syria be necessary, what would be the effect if some of those
    materials and munitions bear Iraqi markings?

    Saddam’s WMDs and

    Why was Kerry Cozy with Assad before he is now not ?

  12. The President is surrounded by some pretty well qualified people from whom he can get good, solid military/strategic recommendations. The problem is that he seems to fancy himself their equal or superior in terms of intellect and expertise and thus does not feel compelled to follow their advise. Then there is the political component. Reality is that you usually can’t mix political expediency and military strategy. But he will certainly try. The rest of the world seems content, for the time being, to step back to a safe distance to watch this impending train wreck.

    1. Nothing personal Balckbeard but please, name ONE “qualified” person surrounding Obama. Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Chuck Hagel, John al? They are either all political hacks or left wing ideologues.
      The pull the strings, Obama’s mouth opens and America pays the consequences.

  13. I just woke up to hear the ‘lie heard around the world’. Starting to think
    he’s not only a pathological liar but has a personality disorder. Really
    unfit to serve for many reasons.

  14. With these recent statement it is now a lock for Obummer to play “Tommy Flanagan, Pathalogical Liar” on SNL. John Lovitz did a great job, but BarryO is telling wopper after wopper. He will be doing his next press conference in a fire retardent drag racing suit.

    1. He’s incapable of being a man so he resorts to lies. I heard him
      say the big red line lie so still rounding up brain cells from exploding head. Yelled at TV scared my 90 year old Mom.

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  16. “I didn’t set a red line: the world set a red line,”: The Limbaugh Theorem. I didn’t said what I said. That wasn’t me. It was the other guy. You misunderstand me. It’s YOUR fault. Ain’t mine. “I’m Barack Hussein Obama. And, that’s all is there to it”.

  17. “That wasn’t something I just kind of made up,” Obama said. “I didn’t just pull it out of thin air.” LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!

    Although, to be fair, he may not have pulled it out of thin air. More likely he pulled it out of his BUTT!!!!

  18. “I didn’t set a red line”
    “Read my lips, no new taxes”
    “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it”
    “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”

  19. It took a couple of ChiTown shyster lawyers (Barack and Michelle) and their Chicago slum landlord mistress (Valjar) all week to come up with that whopper. Obama should have had more rehearsals – he had ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ written all over his forehead. Pathetic!

  20. Obama isn’t backing out of squat. He’s only giving himself the ability to shift the blame after he starts World War III for his ZioNazi blackmailers/extortionists “handlers” hiding behind the curtain. And he wants the Military Industrial Complexes puppets in Congress to have an honest vote on war or not. Yeah… really.
    And for everyone else… be very careful because satan is running around trying to deputize the good ones to work for the beast – the other mark of the beast. If they can’t beat you, they’ll try to join you.
    Silly lizards.

    1. “ZioNazi”?

      Are you actually stating that you believe Zionists are Nazis, that Israelis/Jews want him to set in motion a chain of events that likely will include another attack on Israel?

    1. What’s that thing about a even a clock is right twice a day? Chris Matthews has for once made a good observation. Obama is saddling Democratic Congressmen with his folly because if they vote to support a strike, that is, vote to support their leader just to show unity, it will not be good news for them with the folks back home in 2014. In spite of what the MSM polls are telling us about the growing support for intervention, it is not true. Congressmen are getting responses from their constituents 100 to 1 against it.

      1. The Drudge poll was probably a very good indicator of where the world stands on giving Obama the authority to attack Syria. With over 600,000 votes, a whopping 91% are against intervention!

        1. I thought the Drudge poll was a good indicator too. Given that most of his readers are conservative leaning, the leftist trolls had a chance to vote too.

  21. Obama”s now distancing himself from his original “red line” comments? Listening to him speaking about this, he sounds peculiar, hesitating, slow talking. Huge pauses between words. He sounds like he’s confused by the statement he himself is making.

  22. This is so like his style of leadership. He seems to prefer to lead from behind so that he can’t be held accountable for anything. This presents an image of real weakness.

  23. Dive Dive! Damage control. But…but….we all heard it. Who are we going to believe–our lying ears? Pelosi, by the way, said humanity drew the line. Humanity is a blabbermouth.

      1. He’s upped the ante. Blaming Bush was getting stale – it’s Congress and the world. Well…that certainly leaves him out of the mix. He neither serves in Congress and he certainly isn’t of this world.

  24. Just thinking — if Obama can say this – what will he or won’t he say at the summit. Will other world leaders be as willing to accept blame as our hapless Congress is. I would rather someone put him in his place and put the redline responsibility back on him than have our military pay for his lose lips.

    If it comes to military intervention Obama will be on to other shiny objects and Kerry will be at the ready to criticize our military at every opportunity. Given the choice of one unfortunate victim of war and a
    US soldier Kerry will shield the victim. To hear him argue for military intervention on behalf of the spoiled man child who fulfilled his dream of being SOS is stomach turning.

    1. Nobody seems to be able to fathom Obama’s objectives in life or in politics despite heavy analysis and much debate. To be perfectly clear (forgive me for that one God), Obama has only one single motivation and that is Obama. He is all about himself and history. Historically the first ‘black’ president. If he manages to start World War I I I he will certainly get big headlines in the history books forever. Like Little Jack Horner sitting in the corner . . . puts in his thumb and pulls out a plum and says what a good boy am I?

  25. Kerry on cspan now. Disgusting. Insulting. Hypocrite. John Kerry anywhere near the military is obscene.

    My disdain could not be greater.

    And of course this is just my opinion.

  26. Let’s not forget that creep Axelrod in this equation. OB wasn’t walking the White House grounds deep in thought. I know that because he is incapable of serious, meaningful thought. He didn’t have a telepromter in his hand it was his ‘phone and I’ll bet it was ol’ Axie he was getting his orders from.

  27. The man is a sociopath. Sociopaths create intricate fantasy worlds which, because they lie to themselves and to everyone around them so often, they come to believe is reality. If they say it, it must be true, therefore it must be real.

    Clearly, President Present and reality have not often crossed paths.

  28. Ok Obama, if you didn’t set a “red line” pray tell who is doubling for you.

    Notice date of article: 8/20/2012

    Oh, and the NYT and USA Today citing Obama’s original words and how “aides are second-guessing Obama over making the the “red line” comment in the first place.” He He. I feel so bad for him, not.

    Hmmmmmm…….Even CNN noted he said “red line”.

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