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NRA Meets with Biden and then Declares War

The National Rifle Association emerged from a meeting today with Vice President Biden convinced that the Obama administration has nothing in mind other than restricting access to firearms.

Biden leads the White House task force on guns.

In a blistering statement, the NRA accused the White House of bad faith and declared itself ready to flex its significant lobbying muscle to thwart President Obama’s intentions.

We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners — honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans.

We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works — and what does not.

No doubt, the meeting was little more than window dressing, since Biden said before the session he plans to deliver his recommendations to Obama Tuesday. It’s just not credible that he is making serious revisions to his plans at this late date.

Biden suggested that among the recommendations will be universal background checks and limiting the availability of high-capacity magazines.

And while he said he wants the federal government to conduct more research into gun violence, Biden made clear that the administration’s actions would require little in the way of hard evidence that they would reduce killings.

“I’m not sure we can guarantee this will never happen again, but as the president said even if we can only save one life it would make sense,” said Biden, who added that the goal would be “to not solve every problem but diminish the probability” of mass shootings.

Society does not make rules based on the prospect of saving a single life. When it does, please turn your automobile in to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

46 thoughts on “NRA Meets with Biden and then Declares War”

  1. Now the NRA knows firsthand how the Catholic bishops felt after their meeting with the WH. Wow, maybe the NRA and the Catholic bishops will team up to defeat Obama’s agenda.

    1. “…how the Catholic bishops felt after their meeting with the WH.” – Brenda A.

      And yet, Catholics still voted Obama. If you remember, there was a concerted campaign to add the bishops to the “war on women” narrative, telling Catholic women these old men don’t have their reproductive needs at heart – all the while ignoring that the bishops have to do with the SPIRITUAL needs, not the plumbing. It worked, mostly because a large number of “Catholic” women apparently set their professed religion aside when matters of the crotch are involved.
      A less profoundly sucessful, but still useful, strategy was appealing to the “social justice” wing of the Catholic Church, which is somehow convinced that somehow Democrats can make everything “fair”. Seeing as how nuns an preist already live in basically socialist enclaves and must obey the orders of a man who was chosen by God, it doesn’t take a lot of work to persuade them to accept a socialist dictator if he makes some ephemial social levelling promises.

      Look for the Democrats to use the same divide and conquer strategy with NRA memebers.
      Hmm, do I want Second Amendment rights, or free medicine?
      Do I want to be able to defend myself before a rape, or be able to get rid of the rape baby later?
      Does it make sense to jail criminals, or would it be easier to criminalize guns?
      Do I want to go with my feelings, or actually think and use facts?

      It doesn’t matter that these are false choices and petitio principii arguments. It doesn’t have to make sense. Just ask this guy;

      “That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result,” he wrote. “It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.” – Joseph Goebbles

      I think Obama voters have already answered these questions.

      Good luck on that “team up” thing, but it would be pretty weird for the Catholic Church to make stands against the death penalty and abortion, then to even hint that it supported shooting folks for criminal behavior, whatever the circumstances. I wouldn’t really expect that to happen. While politics makes strange bedfellows, I think these two groups are a little too far apart to make common cause.

      “In nothing is the power of the Dark Lord more clearly shown than in the estrangement that divides all those who still oppose him.” – JRR Tolkien.

    1. The hypocrisy astounds me: 27 people die at the hands of a mentally deranged madman and the cries for gun control are deafening, yet 3500 children are killed every day via abortion and all we hear is crickets chirping. It makes me sick.

    2. Abortion is a many billion dollar industry. Planned Parenthood is a part of the money laundering scheme, just as is big unions. It is all about the money with these people (Marxist-Socialist Progressives/Dems).

  2. I agree–that if we can save just one life thing is sophistry.As I have said many times, it’s easy to make statements that can never be proved or disproved (avoided a Depression–sound familiar?). Maybe the present laws of making people get their names in a record and/or wait a time are preventing thousands of deaths. We don’t know that, either.

    1. Goes right along with his, “It’s the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning and the last thing I think about before I go to sleep.” Sure it is. He has said that same line about several different topics.

  3. Another life saving idea I just heard Levin discuss: lift the ban on DDT. An African child dies about every 40 seconds from malaria. I won’t hold my breath.

    1. Maybe bringing back DDT should be a new celebrity cause for Brangelina. Why force people to hide under mosquito nets when they could be free from the fear of contracting malaria?

      1. You can bet that if any of these celebs who run around patting themselves on the back for sending nets to Africa had malaria-carrying mosquitos in thier own homes, they would demand something a lot more effective than netting. And I just read that malaria is becoming drug resitant, and mosquitos are changing their habits to work around netting:
        I’m sure Brangelina will get right on that;).

  4. I’d bet my bottom dollar the administration has had this plan in thier back pocket before Fast and Furious started. Part of the”Transformation”.

  5. If these evil people cared one iota about saving the life of one child, they wouldn’t force us to pay for their Mengeles to murder millions of children by abortion…

  6. Stop the wanton destruction of the unborn and you might stop some of the other violent crimes. After all, if the sanctity of life in the womb means nothing, how can you expect people to believe that any life means something?

  7. Is there every anything meaningful about anything to do with this administration? Everything they do is window dressing, this shouldn’t be shocking to anyone.

  8. Did anyone bring up to Joey all the ammo the DHS has been buying up?
    Over one million rounds of hollow-point .223 rifle ammo
    • Over half a million rounds of non-hollow-point .223 rifle ammo
    • 220,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #7 ammo (target ammo)
    • Over 200,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #00 buckshot ammo (tactical anti-personnel ammo)
    • 66,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun slugs (tactical anti-personnel, anti-vehicle rounds)
    • Over two million rounds of hollow-point .357 Sig JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)
    • Over four million rounds of .40 S&W JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)
    • Over 60,000 rounds of .308 match grade anti-personnel sniper rounds (BTHP)
    • Plus, hundreds of thousands of additional rounds of .38 special, .45 auto, 9mm, 7.62×39 (AK rifle) ammo, and others.

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  9. A friend suggested to me that if Obama is handing this issue off to Biden, then he’s not really serious about pursuing it. I’m not so sure that’s the case, but it’s a thought…

    1. It’s Obama’s way to avoid responsibility for anything that comes down. If guns are banned, then it was Joe’s fault. If nothing gets done, it’s Joe’s fault.

      Just another way to dodge any responsibility for anything.

      1. My thoughts exactly. Another example of him leading from the rear. I would also expect if there is some perceived successful outcome in their minds, Obama will quickly take credit for it. As Blair mentions below, the economy, debt and job problem have completely fallen off the radar.

  10. A few random observations:

    Twenty bucks says the final recommendations were written before this task force was even organized.

    The odds of being killed in a mass shooting a la Newtown are extremely long. I’m not sure if they qualify as “statistically zero,” but a priori, I’d guess they’re pretty darn close. Mass shootings are so rare they’re national news. Meanwhile, a home is broken into every 15 seconds in the United States, and that’s treated as a statistic. Statistically, you are MUCH more likely to NEED a gun to defend your castle, than you are of being on the wrong end of one in a mass shooting.

    26 people get murdered in Connecticut on one isolated day, and it’s a national tragedy; 26 people get murdered every three weeks in Chicago, and again, it’s a bloodless statistic.

    The right to defend your person and property is a natural, God-given right. It is not just UNCONSTITUTIONAL to demand that good citizens surrender the tools of self-defense; it is IMMORAL. By ordering disarmament, the government would be ordering the People to forfeit their property for sure, their liberty almost definitely, and their lives as likely as not. This is tyranny.

    The Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire–which Turkey denies to this day, nearly a century after it occurred–would not have taken place had the Armenians been armed. But they weren’t: the Ottomans had ordered them to hand over all their weapons. The Armenians were much easier to slaughter once they were defenseless.

    I find it incomprehensible that this administration can, on the one hand, DEMAND AN ANSWER!!! for the problems of the mentally ill, and on the other hand, look the other way as states legalize the use of mind-altering drugs. I would HATE to be forced to say “I told you so” if another mass shooter in a toke-up state turns out to have been overdoing it with the weed. Not that they’ll ever recriminalize it if it happens, oh no no no. The pot won’t have been to blame, oh no, it will all have been the gun’s fault, don’t you know.

    If Obeyme does order a national gun grab by dictatorial fiat executive order, the reaction will be one for the history books, one way or the other. Either America will fall into despotism forever, or there will be a citizen uprising the likes of which the world has never seen.

    1. Smoking pot does not make people go out and shoot people. It makes people mellow, more likely to sit on the couch watching TV and eating Cheetos.

    2. Let’s not forget those who write headlines, or do factual reporting.
      As I recall, starting in November 2008 the price of ammunition started creeping upwards, for what I was buying, it was approximately 157% at it’s highest. The only significant event at the time was the election of Obama.
      During this most recent national crisis, headlines do link the unfortunate slaughter in Connecticut with the surge in weapon and ammunition sales, however, the same man who said he would not take guns from Americans is still President.
      Americans are reacting from fear of their government.
      The same man who who said he would not raise taxes on anyone earning over $250,000.00 jumped the excise tax on cigarettes early in his tenure, for 2013 moved the income limitation for deducting medical expenses from 7.5% to 10%. Silence from the media.
      A lot of the current leadership in Washington seems to like to take stuff from a lot of Americans, and little things like prior statements and pledges are ignored in the frenzy of the crisis of the day.

  11. Two things bother me about this whole thing. The mental illness aspect of mass shootings is complexity being ignored. The other is Obama is going after gun control will passion and urgency which he has never shown when dealing with creating jobs.

  12. As crazy uncle Joe said “if it saves one life”…I guess they’ll recommend banning driving automobiles next to “save one life” or baseball bats or hammers, or scissors, it goes on and on.

  13. Ever notice that since election no mention of unemployment, jobs czar, or deficit, only guns and more taxes. Nice distraction so the the 65% of Obamnation forgets they are evollving into part time McDonalds workers as their career option and life station. Not to worry they will get food stamps and will make enough to get lottery and one tattoo each year. Plus the stamps are negotiable on craigslist so not so bad.

    1. Well, okay…but if we tried to transfer another part of the argument, it would look like this: we should outlaw all cars that can travel faster than 65 MPH, except for ambulances, fire trucks, and police cars.

      Just as no one needs a high capacity clip, no one needs a car that can break the speed limit thrice over. So arrivederci Ferrari, auf wiedersehen Porsche, cheerio Lotus, adieu Bugatti. The government MUST know best about speed limits–that whole concept can’t POSSIBLY be about revenue generation, can it?–and so cars that can break the laws of safe driving should be outlawed, as well.

      No, I am not seriously advocating that. (A confession: one of these days, I want to own a Ford GT.) But that is how that argument transfers from guns to cars, is it not?

  14. Existing laws in 42 states that support the individual right to self defense have saved between 765,000 and 2.5 million lives since the 1980’s according to FBI universal crime stats and numerous university studies. In contrast, laws that restrict guns, create killing zones are directly responsible for all mass killing events happening around the world. The data is there to anyone willing to look and brave enough to challenge the dogma that’s out there.

  15. Demand from your local news outlet that they feature news stories and articles on law abiding United States citizens defending themselves with firearms.
    Expose the bias!!!!!!!

  16. Please note that the Marxist-Socialist Progressives/Democrats/Liberals who want to take guns and ammunition magazines out of the hands of the law-abiding public are the same group that demands the ability to provide psycho-active drugs to school children, release the mentally unstable to the streets, and make fun of real protective measures for our school children while fully protecting their own children by armed men at school (and security details at home).

    It is all about the control of US by THEM; can you feel the tightening fist of the Marxist-Socialists now?

  17. Boy, it just gets sillier every day…
    “even if we can only save one life”…it sounds like he is talking about children but I get the message that he wishes to continue the profiteering of the criminal justice system…as in we won’t execute those career criminals that committed crimes with a gun. Yet, we can abort ,at will, any results of a self serving daliance with federal funds. I can philosophically support abortion in that most of those children would be brought into the worst of homes and parenting…what I can’t support philosophically is the continued existence of those that have renounced their connection to society in a positive manner.

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