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Obama Insists Israel Withdraw to Fantasyland

Sometimes I get the impression with President Obama that his wishes and plans steam forward in one lane, while reality marches along in another altogether separate one.

We see this, for example, on the budget deficit, where the president notes the peril it poses, and then goes right ahead and throws around billions in “emergency” stimulus money that take years to dole out. Or adds a trillion dollars in new spending to make his health care dream a reality.

And we saw it again today, in Obama’s latest Middle East Big Think speech.

Despite the coming new regime in the Palestinian Authority, which will include Hamas, Obama has gone along his merry way and made a key concession to the Palestinians, as if Israel’s peril had some how lessened rather than grown.

By making it U.S. policy that the 1967 borders are the STARTING POINT for negotiations, Obama put Israel on the defensive in its fight for security and for its cultural – and the Christian cultural – heritage in Jerusalem.

The statement overturns assurances by George W. Bush to Israel in a 2004 letter that stated a return to the 1967 borders was in fact NOT the policy of the United States. This assurance was made in return for a concrete step, the withdrawal of Israel from Gaza. The concrete step cannot be reversed. The assurance could be reversed by an unreliable ally. Today, it was.

It was a DEAL. A deal is a deal, right? Wrong.

Obama today said the status of Jerusalem is up for grabs. But by declaring as the starting point the 1967 border – under which the Old City portion of Jerusalem and its holy sites were in Arab hands – Israel now has to give concessions to keep Jerusalem whole, not get concessions in return for giving it away. And as a practical matter, putting Old City Jerusalem in the hands of the Palestinians at the start of the negotiations means they will never relinquish it.

How well the Arabs will protect Jewish and Christian holy sites there is anyone’s guess.

And by the way, go to Google and take a look at a map of the 1967 borders. It doesn’t take some kind of Napoleonic military genius to figure out that the borders are completely indefensible. Israel, again, will have to bargain from a position of weakness – the ’67 borders – to “swap,” as Obama put it, enough of its land for West Bank land to find a marginally secure arrangement of territory.

Look at what the Gaza giveaway has gotten Israel. Missiles regularly lobbed deep into its territory and a funnel for terrorists and arms. What will happen when it releases the West Bank?

The Palestinians don’t want the West Bank. They want it all. They want Tel Aviv. The West Bank will be a ballast used for pushing the Jews into the sea.

Sure, Obama says the Palestinians will have to find a way to reassure Israel with Hamas now at the table. And he promises Israel secure borders. But these are nebulous words, negotiable stuff. The 1967 borders line he read today is policy.

Hamas, if it is smart, will head over to Men’s Warehouse, pick up a few suits, and act civilized for a few months. That should be enough to convince the president – who came into office thinking he could negotiate with various barbarians around the globe – that they are reasonable people.

But Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu knows his enemies better. He’s already rejecting Obama’s new policy, issuing a statement as he prepared to meet with Obama Friday

Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress . . . Among other things, those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers [settlements] in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] beyond those lines.

Hamas is headed into the Palestinian government. Palestinians over the weekend stormed Israel’s borders. But Obama keeps rolling along own path. Reality travels a separate road.

41 thoughts on “Obama Insists Israel Withdraw to Fantasyland”

  1. Forget the fact that Obama is traveling on a different planet, apparently he has not surrounded himself with competent advisors.

  2. Obama evidently decided to stop throwing people under the bus retail and decided to do it wholesale – entire countries at one time. Why doesn’t he just demand that the whole country of Israel commit suicide like the defenders of Masada.

    1. NevadaSteve
      Your suggestion is very good, but lets reduce it somewhats, Let us suggest that it be limited to the Zionist, but leave out the other Jews, Let us ask these ‘other jews to live together with the Christians the Muslims (People of the Book ) and others to live peacefully together .(maybe we also ask the extreemist persecuted deprived muslims also to join in your master plan)

    1. Here is a link:

      Below is the operative phrase, interpreted as meaning a full givewaway of the West Bank is not expected of Israel. The differences with what Obama said are subtle but important, as Netanyahu clearly recognizes:
      “it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949, and all previous efforts to negotiate a two-state solution have reached the same conclusion.”

      “armistice lines of 1949” is diplomatese for 1967 borders:

  3. Excellent article Keith. Has nothing to do with him being inept or incompetent….he is a liar. He hates Israel as much as he hates America. If this doesn’t wake up the libs, nothing will. This man is out to destroy Israel and we’re next.

  4. Obama is just keeping his word. He was always a Palestinian supporter.
    From pro-Palestinan, pro-terrorist supporter Ali Abunimah in The Electronic Intifada:

    “Over the years since I first saw Obama speak I met him about half a dozen times, often at Palestinian and Arab-American community events in Chicago including a May 1998 community fundraiser at which Edward Said was the keynote speaker. In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

    The last time I spoke to Obama was in the winter of 2004 at a gathering in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood. He was in the midst of a primary campaign to secure the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate seat he now occupies. But at that time polls showed him trailing.

    As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, “Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I’m hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.” He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy, “Keep up the good work!” ”
    (I don’t want to link to his website, but a Google search can find it.)

    1. IsraelMatzav has a most interesting article now up about the Arab intent to march across Israeli borders with civilian groups, starting tomorrow. Gentle invasion of sorts, although it will surely be described as a protest march in the western press. Wonder if it was coordinated with the speech today. Wonder if the war starts tomorrow?

  5. You are too kind. MrO knows exactly what he’s doing, what he wants done and how he plans to do it. It’s true that some of his agenda will never become reality, but it won’t deter his ambition to bring the US to it’s knees before the world.
    PMNetanyahu would be wise to cancel his trip to the WhiteHouse.

  6. He keeps referring to ‘WE’ – we believe that…we think that…’WE’ who??? Who the HEdouble L does he think he speaks for? Anybody you know? This presidency, I mean this OLIGARCHY doesn’t resemble any America I’ve ever known.

    Pull the plug on this idiot!

  7. this is the same man who sat in that so-called church run by the “rev.” wright
    who never met a muslim he didn’t love.. in fact that church is full of muslims who are encouraged to keep their “muhammmmmmed”… so obambo & his muslim buds comfortably hung out for 30 yrs.listening to a manical racist rant about America & White people…. this is our president ! this is what he is about!
    He’s arrogant like no other, he’s a liar & muslim sympathizer/socialist.. be careful America , we’re walking in a danger zone,,,WAKE UP !

  8. It is the American people, our Congress, the media, and Israel, who are living in fantasy land – not Obama.

    Obama is CONSTRUCTING reality (hmm … sound familiar? “Deconstructing Obama” by Jack Cashill – so-named because post-modernist thinkers like Bill Ayers believe that we each construct our own reality – there is no objective Truth, etc.). Reality will be … a Palestinian state, w/ Jews as a persecuted minority – years from now, but that will be reality. There is no way the bloodthirsty Hamas & Syrians & Egyptians et al will live peacefully in a divided Jerusalem and Israel. No way. The Second Holocaust is coming, and the eyes and ears of the world are dulled – seeing no evil, hearing no evil ….

    What did Obama say, very emphatically & deliberately – “Israel must be able to defend itself – BY ITSELF” – he’s giving permission to Syria, Egypt, et al to unleash the forces of hell upon Israel. He is telling Israel’s enemies IN PLAIN ENGLISH – that we will NOT DEFEND ISRAEL.

    He has the power – he’s got Hillary, who intro’d him today – the evil John Brennan, Samantha Power, the UN, the Arab League, Gen Petraeus, who’s overseen more troop deaths bcs of COIN, and who condemned Qur’an burning w/o condemning the mob of murderers in Afg’n; Gen Gates, who traitorously repeated the same “gutsy call” propaganda in the 60 min interview; and of course the Senate – on & on. Beck has been predicting this for months.

    It is a paradigm shift I know – I had it – once I realized, yes, this President & those pulling his strings are truly wicked, Jew-hating egomaniac Leftist ideologues, it all made sense. And let’s not forget Israel-hating would-be Jehovah Soros, behind all of this drama.

    Here’s a prediction – Jewish donors won’t be so generous for the ’12 campaign – but there will be loads of funny money from … the Saudi’s, the UAE, etc. Impossible, you say? BS. After all, who’s going to investigate? The Senate? The WH Press Corpse? The NYT, or the WashComPost? The JournoListas? TIME magazine?

    1. Yeah, I caught that little nugget too. I don’t hear anyone in the media sputtering about it, not even fox. Israel is on it’s own.

      1. Not one word about the phrase on Baier’s SR – nor mentioned by Jonah Goldberg (sometimes I wonder if he even wrote “Liberal Fascism” – he has certainly gotten mellow since then – doesn’t want to jeopardize his cocktail party invitations) nor by Krauthammer – who briefly woke from his slumber to lightly spar w/ the always-clueless Juan Williams, but nonetheless simply called some of O’s statements in the speech “odd” – twice.

        Odd? I wonder if that’s how the illustrious Dr K characterized the slaughter of the Fogel family – on the Sabbath. “Odd”.

        “Odd” that Islamists insist on slaughtering Jews. “Odd” that we stand idly by, twiddling our thumbs. “Odd” that we’re giving billions in aid to Muslim-Brotherhood members in newly-rearranged governments, when we’re still suffering at home. “Odd” that O gives his speech, not previously scheduled – only after learning Netanyahu is coming to DC. “Odd” that the Israelis were told that no major changes in policy were forthcoming, only to be sucker-punched by O & Hillary.

        “Odd” – oh, so very ODD – that UBL’s final tape was released this very day, enthusiastically supporting the Arab Spring.

        Hmmmm ….. now, just playing devil’s advocate – how many policy differences does O have w/ UBL, per the latter’s speech? Any? Odd, isn’t it?

          1. Those Bret panels are getting pretty mushy. I have noticed it, too. That Steve (is that his name?) always says one thing, then says, “Having said that”…and concludes the opposite. Maura is a pretzel trying to come out on Obama’s side. Kristin–boring, her eyes darting to see if people agree with her. Even Krauty is dyspeptic these days–thinking of his word as the crabby last word on everything. Juan–well, all Obama all the time.

      2. Mrs Compton
        The Palestinian has been ” is on it’s own’ too for just too long >50years?
        Driven and Corral by the Zionist, persicuted, and starved. Too long,
        Freedom fighters of USA , Good Jews, Fellow Arabs, UN, The whole blessed world , all, all /condone/ all quietly accept to the percution of “God Forsaken People”
        May my god (God) find in his (His) grace to uplift his (His) people.
        god, if you wont do it, nobody will. (i hope not)
        (Mrs Compton, this world is just too small for us to gather/make munition from everything to ‘kill’ each other If god is too busy to give his grace, let us step in , n give/shoot not munition at our fellow creatures, but give them hope and love and grace

    2. Always hoped Beck was wrong. He’s not. This election won’t be about who raises the most money. This election will be about the survival of the West. If he wins, it will mean a return to the Dark Ages with the rise of a caliphate. Hope Israel can hold out long enough for us to toss this guy out on his ear in 2012.

      1. It occurred to me the other day that the Crusades never really ended–just went dormant. This is a struggle with a long view. Someone asked me why we bother with backward Muslims–I said because they are a third of the population?

        1. Star,
          “Someone asked me why we bother with backward Muslims–I said because they are a third of the population? ”
          Well said Star.
          They acknowledge, their religion is from ours (Judasm, Christianity)
          They acknowledge the teaching of Christ
          They call us for centuaries, The people of the Book/
          We give the “Crusades”
          Mohamed their Prophets think well of us : Mohd letter to Christians and Muslims
          So, there are a few Bigots among them, So?
          So, I can find as many among us too.
          A religion that has “a third of the (world) population ” arises only thousand five hundred years without much forced convertion, and evangelism , cannot be all that bad.

  9. What are the odds that Obama will somehow try to ‘insult’ Netanyahu at their meeting?
    (re: Obama walks out on Bibi like he did at that lunch they had…)

  10. “And as a practical matter, putting Old City Jerusalem in the hands of the Palestinians at the start of the negotiations means they will never relinquish it.How well the Arabs will protect Jewish and Christian holy sites there is anyone’s guess.”

    Remember the original Palestine ‘partition’ provisions on both the British as well as U.N. proposals called toy Jerusalem to be an “International” zone, for the very reason you cite, the preservation of heritage. And while I think that some of the Arabs in those days would have understood the importance of this, today all bets are off. If you look at what the Taliban did to the carvings in Afghanistan, you can imagine what Hamas and Fatah and possibly Hezbollah would do to Jerusalem if they were to receive part of it back.

    Great piece!

  11. Hillary must resign in protest immediately. Obama has screwed her and her husband over royally, with this latest dictum. The Clintons will lose a lot of friends over this, maybe that was the point.

  12. Ill give you 10 current reasons why it wont work..
    . Hamas has the cheap suits..they are Khaled Mashal, Ismail Haniyeh, Mahmoud al-Zahar, and their main benifactor Iran. Murdering scum of the earth if there ever was one.. and they arnt going to play nice.Heres some select statements from the last couple days since the merger of Fatahland and Hamastan.
    1.”The (Arab) nation does not need a lesson on democracy from Obama,” said Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, Sami Abu-Zuhri. “Rather, Obama is the one who needs the lesson given his absolute endorsement of Israel’s crimes and his refusal to condemn Israel’s occupation.”
    2.”We will not recognize the Israeli occupation under any circumstances,” “We object to intervention in our internal affairs.”
    3.Ismail Haniyeh, who is Hamas’s prime minister, told reporters that “we regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood.”(over Bin Laden’s death)
    4.)Ismail Haniyeh said Sunday that Palestinians mark the occasion this year “with great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine.”
    5.Ismail Haniyeh said in a speech marking “Nakba Day” that the Palestinians would never give up the “right of return.”Haniyeh said that there were now “changes” that would “lead to the collapse of the Zionist project in Palestine and victory for the program of the nation” – a reference to anti-government protests sweeping the Arab world.The Hamas leader reiterated his movement’s opposition to recognizing Israel’s right to exist in spite of the reconciliation agreement with Fatah.“Victory is coming and so is the state,” he declared. “The refugees will return and occupation will end.
    6.Zahar said that Hamas would not recognize Israel, because doing so would “cancel the right of the next generations to liberate the lands.”
    In related news, Hamas said it would not renew peace-negotiations with Israel, Al-Jazeera reported. The Palestinian group’s comments came after President Shimon Peres said he was not ruling out the possibility of future negotiations.
    Al-Jazeera quoted a senior Hamas official as saying it was not a part of Hamas’s strategy to conduct talks with “either Peres or the Zionist entity.” He added that negotiations “are a means to stall and allot time to [to Israel] to dedicate its attention to facts on the ground.”
    7.Mashaal told Cairo-based newspaper The Wall Street General that Hamas and Fatah had discussed at length the appropriate manner to conduct resistance against Israel, which included discussions of armed conflict. The two Palestinian groups signed a reconciliation agreement last week, which ended a years-long conflict between the factions and began discussions on the formation of a Palestinian unity government. Mashaal said that any future armed conflict with Israel would have to be coordinated between Fatah and Hamas.
    8.Senior Hamas official Mahmoud Zahar said on Wednesday that Palestine is “hallowed ground” and that his organization will never recognize Israel.
    Speaking to Al Jazeera, Zahar said that Palestinians will not give up on their right to Palestine, while recognizing the rule of Poles and Ethiopians in their land.
    9.Also speaking with Israel Radio, Hamas Deputy Foreign Minister in Gaza Razi Hamed said that Hamas wants peace, but that “the occupation is the root of all [the Palestinians’] problems.” He added that Hamas is willing to accept a Palestinian state within pre-1967 lines with Jerusalem as its capital.
    However, he said, in order for peace to take place, Palestinian refugees must be allowed to “return to their homes” in Israel.
    And if that isnt enough…heres your tax money..
    10.New PA law to grant all convicted terrorists monthly pay

    Congress is pissed.Most of America is pissed.Israel is pissed.But the arabs,they are already printing in all the arab press how Israel has to retreat to the 67 lines now..Good job Barry.You know what?Stay on the course and out of the way..

    1. Jeff – great information. The things many of these leaders say to domestic audiences and what they present to the West are often completely different things. It’s great to see what they really think.

  13. I’m gobsmacked. Just when our president should be trying to make amends for the way he treated PM Netanyahu on his last visit; he rolls out a speech like this. Funny, no dithering when it comes to Israel. What is he thinking?

    1. When it said working lunch–what work did Bibi have to do to sing for his er…lunch..which at least he did not have to pickup at Burger King later this time.

  14. Beyond the naivety displayed by his speech, it just amazes me that a policy statement like this could be made in such a unilateral manner. As much as the USA wants to guide and bring peace to this part of the world, it is beyond our reach to impose a territorial edict like this.

    I’m not Jewish but I am dating one and I am finally seeing the lights go on in the Jewish community about the truth and more importantly the lies that continue to come from the POTUS.

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