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Obama Government Equal to Population in 1776

by Keith Koffler on January 23, 2013, 10:56 am

President Obama Monday invoked Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence to justify his expansive view of government, but Jefferson might be surprised to learn that the number of federal employees today is nearly equal to the entire population of the nation in 1776.

According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, the current civilian federal workforce, excluding postal service employees, was 2.15 million in 2011. The Census Bureau estimates that in 1776, the entire population of the United States was just a bit higher, at about 2.5 million. The number suggests that every adult man and woman living at the time – at least – would have been needed to staff today’s federal government.

The comparison is ironic because Obama invoked Jefferson’s famous line from the Declaration about “unalienable rights” such as “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” to launch an inaugural address that invoked the Founders as justification for Obama’s own statist agenda.

The Founders, who crafted a Constitution that is at bottom a document designed to limit the powers of federal government, would never have recognized the welfare state and redistributionist policies Obama supports. Jefferson in particular is viewed as a leading figure among them backing the cause of states rights and a limited federal role.

Obama suggested in his remarks that the federal government is instead the protector of such rights, a warped view of the Founders’ intentions.

In his first term as president, George Washington had only five Cabinet members and about 1,000 federal workers in his employ.

Under Obama, the civilian workforce has grown by nearly 200,000 from the level of 1.96 million in 2008.

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Just2old January 23, 2013 at 11:05 am

“a warped view of the Founders’ intentions” indeed, well said.

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YES WE CON! January 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm

“10 Times Worse Than Watergate; Biggest Media Blackout In History” -
50 Year Law Enforcement Veteran, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, 3/7/12.

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RickW January 23, 2013 at 11:13 am

The only positive thing I can say about Obama is that he is consistent, particularly in his idiocy.

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Chris January 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm

The number is actuall LESS than the last couple administrations, GW and Clinton especially when Homeland Security (200,000+ employees) is not counted as that was implemented during GW’s days and not barely complete with the addage of new job vacancies until afte Obama entered. You won’t get those types of details from this author though, he won’t bother to even give you a reference.

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Dar January 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Where are your references? Cough them up or shut up.

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sans culottes January 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm

I blame Bush! ;-)

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Patriot News January 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm

blame the media blackouts on the coup and cover up leaked at a site referred to as
Sarah Palin’s dirty little secret

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RT January 23, 2013 at 4:32 pm

BLS.GOV

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RT January 23, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Otis Driftwood January 23, 2013 at 10:18 pm

funny, if you look at the BLS report, it states on the last page that the numbers include both state and local government jobs, as well as federal jobs. State and local jobs took a huge hammering in 2012.

Keith wrote about the bloated federal government work force.

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RT January 24, 2013 at 1:29 am

Otis – And? And? Government is government – the bloat is everywhere buddy. Go do some research on how much State Government is funded by the Feds.

I know what Keith said. I know the numbers. This is old news and was hot news before the election where the same basic argument of feds versus total government was all the rage.

I was trying to get the dialog moved to the larger picture of – “so what”. As you may have read below. Apples and oranges, I am sure our President personally sits in on all federal hires and passes all the regulations that create the bloat… Just like Reagan sat in on the same HR Committees…lol..

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ReConUSMC January 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm

Chris, You have Fuzzy Math.
Clinton and Bush were 20-25 % of GDP .
Obama is soon to be 30 % of GDP just for the record .
In 2015-2017 went Obama care fully kicks in it will be 100% of GDP when 16-24 Million go on for free the health care rolls .
(3/4 THE POPULATION OF CANADA ) Not counting Unfunded Medicare Medicaid and Social Sec. at 12 Trillion .Debt by 2020-22 total including unfunded will be 32 trillion or 2 trillion a year in Interest .We currently take in 2.5 Trillion a year in revenues and under OBAMA Spends another 1.7 Trillion each year so far .
Adding that 2 % B/S tax adds 80 Billion for 10 years or 8 Billion a year .
that would run our Fed Govt for 8 days not counting Interest payments
The CBO Say’s we need to add another 3.4 Trillion to the current 16 trillion national debt with borrowed money at 46.1 cent per dollar .
Until the Fed . started and pushed by the left really Clinton Home Loan deal blow up… Our National debt under Bush was 575 Billion dollars and that Sept .Jobless rate was 5.6 % .
Counting Obama 135 , 000 new employees and the IRS 16,700 New employees it is over 150,000 . Problem is they made 35-44 % more than private citizens doing the same work because of Govt. Unions ..totally unfair to tax payers .
Of course Obama has spent several Hundred Billions on failed electric car , solar ,,wind mill and battery cos .
Average cost of Job in Green jobs ? 2.1 Million .
37 of largest 59 have failed .

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exObamunist January 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Don’t confuse the liberals with the facts. LOL.

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aubreyfarmer January 23, 2013 at 7:57 pm

Awesome!

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exObamunist January 23, 2013 at 6:17 pm

Yeah, right….

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TONY January 23, 2013 at 6:37 pm

You do realize the blue words are links that take you to his sources.

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Just2old January 23, 2013 at 11:49 am

New word of the day.

Ineptocracy 189 up, 16 down
Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Now showing up on tshirts on Ebay….

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Mike99999 January 23, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Funny, but sad because it is true.

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Steve January 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm

Creative and unfortunate all at once.

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jose January 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm

Before print those shirts, consider the following grammatical, syntactical, logical, and contextual corrections and improvements.

Ineptocracy (in∙ep∙toc∙ra∙cy / ineptäkrəsē) – a system of government in which the least able to lead are elected by the least able to think, and in which the latter are rewarded by the previous with wealth, goods, and services confiscated from a diminishing number of responsible, self-sufficient producers.

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jose January 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm

CORRECTION – “Before [you] print…”, or “Before [printing]…” if you prefer.

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jose January 23, 2013 at 3:16 pm

CORRECTION #2 (arghh!) – [ïnëptäkrəsē].

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Tony R. February 27, 2013 at 5:16 pm

In proper Greek, that would be known as a “kakistocracy”.

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flossmore January 23, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Sad thing is…..a liberal will never…..ever admit that they’re wrong! Are you folks driving around with Obummer/Biden bumper stickers really happy with this moron as president?? He certainly will destroy this nation in the next 4 years…..we’ll all see! He thinks just like his daddy who hated America, freedom, and democracy! you’ll all see…..give it time!

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JND January 23, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Wait- I thought you all said Obama would destroy the country the first 4 years. What happened. Here is what happened:

-Out of Iraq
-Leaving Afghanistan
-Unemployment down
-Stock indices ALL up
-My 401k recovered
-Middle Class Tax cuts secured
-No terrorist attacks in US
-Fox News mow owned by Muslims

Ouch- that last one must really bite.

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Old guy January 23, 2013 at 5:43 pm

Not out of Iraq, still troops in as advisors
Not LEAVING Afghanistan, we’ll still have troops on the ground
Unemployment still up, because you liberal idiots won’t count the people that stopped looking for work.
Some stocks up, not all
Not all people are as lucky as you with their 401K
Middle class tax cuts my a$$! My taxes went up by over $500 a month to pay for your beloved Obamacare
Need to recheck your facts, bud. There actually have been terrorist threats that were stopped in US, but your beloved Administration doesn’t want you to know about them.
And FOX is not owned by Muslims, that would be your boy Gore that sold his network to the Muslims…

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flossmore January 23, 2013 at 5:45 pm

Dude…..everybody’s 401k has gotten better…..but it doesn’t make for the 60k$ it lost since 2008

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RB January 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm

Iraq? No quite
Afghanistan? One day
Unemployment? If you don’t count people without a job for over a year.
Stocks? Not against hard money
My 401k? Ditto
No terrorist attack? Isn’t the embassies and consulates considered US soil?
Foxnews? It’s ok. They are statists as well!

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mark January 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm

JND, your only fooling yourself. In any of that BS where’s the 6 trillion in new spending? 401K recovered, sure with money printed out of thin air. Fox news owned by Muslims? That’s the icing on the cake, just showed your true ignorance with that one!

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Patriot News January 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm

Washington is running the online conversation desperate to divert our attention since the truth has leaked out about the REAL Obama cover ups, the coup, the media blackout, and this last rigged election. Search Sarah Palin’s dirty little secret before the truth disappears forever.

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Chris Edens January 23, 2013 at 6:11 pm

Nice JND reads the HuffPo talking points and has it all figured out.

We are NOT out of Iraq unless you consider 20k+ is out. This time table was set before he was even in office.

Ditto for Afghanistan.

Unemployment down yeah right! When you eliminate a huge chunk of the work force and then don’t count under employed and those that have given up. Just a REAL SIMPLE look into this one shows what a lie this is. And it’s still strikingly higher than it was when he took office. Might I suggest you look at the U3 or U6 numbers.
Stocks are up and we are at historic highs but the way the market performs it can all be erased if our fiscal house is not in order and it isn’t.

Your 401k recovered? Unable to even verify this but it is complete bologna if you are saying those that invested heavy in their 401k have recovered.

Middle class tax cuts that the House fought for and the Democrats said were all tax breaks for the rich when they were originally created. Now it is suddenly middle class tax cuts. Still didn’t save the %2 payroll deduction which was irresponsible in the first place but now is considered a hit. Overall wages are DOWN across the board, except for government jobs.

No terrorists attacks in the US? Why even mention that? I guess you should take credit for no asteroids hitting us as well. Never mind the foreign policy disaster of Egypt or Libya or the little things like Fast and Furious.

And the FOX news bit is totally off. It is your liberal/democrat buddy Al Gore and Current TV that was sold to the Muslims. Ouch! I bet that really stings but not a bit surprised considering the company the progressives keep.

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aubreyfarmer January 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm

Commies probably did extensive polling to figure our how many people would need to be hired by the governemt to assure the democrats a victory with a margin of error of plus or minus 2 standard diviations.

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exObamunist January 23, 2013 at 6:20 pm

Poverty: Up.
Real unemployment: up
People on food stamps: up
Taxes: up
Household incomes: down.
Terrorism: up.
Religious freedom: down.
Gov incomes: up

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Star January 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm

I don’t know if this means anything–but it made me laff. Thanks!

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srdem65 January 23, 2013 at 12:09 pm

It takes a lot of people to micro-manage the everyday lives of non-government employees, to oversee or direct what private businesses can and cannot do, to confiscate the wages of the working class, and oversee the healthcare of 300+million people.

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Otis Driftwood January 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm

aka.. just like county roadways job – 2 to do the work and 5 to stand around to watch and comment.

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Girly1 January 23, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Or how about two county tree trimmers who arrive in my backyard at 9:30 a.m., and one is passed out drunk in the bushes at 10:30 a.m. Thankfully, the sober worker was able to carry him out to the truck! The tree trimming job is still unfinished….

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sans culottes January 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm

piccies, or it NEVER happened. Hope you took a few candid shots to send to your local newspaper.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 12:41 pm

Keith – This is simply a not so funny Blog entry from you… Come on Buddy, you have better research skills than I ***AND*** know more about politics… The statement you make above may be of accurate, but the gist of any real discussion is way off base… It is like me stipulating that every time our President takes a breath, someone in America dies… True? Yes! Meaningful? Um, no…

Any American or other interested party can go out to BLS or other sites and read the actual data. The size of Government has ***drumroll*** SHRUNK under Obama. What? Huh, yeah. This trend is even more noticeable if expressed as a % of total GDP or Population.

Now listen, we do not have to give this presidency the credit for this (you can if you want). Geez, he took office during the worst onslaught of a recession since 1929 – worse in some respects (financial complexities). Bozo could have been President and some heads were going to roll in government jobs…

That stated, if we’re going to cast mud, throw it accurately and at least provide better background data so some can develop an informed opinion. Also, heaven knows, when something good happens and a policy works or he “gets lucky”, share some love. In the long run, your work becomes more believable and subject to more reasoned debate provided the more balanced unbiased reporting.

You know all this. Shame on you.

RT

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Chris January 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm

Right on, this guy is a complete ideologue.

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edwin January 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm

RT, If you had actually read the article it clearly stated that there are 200,000 more federal employees today than there was in 2008.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm

I read the article edwin. My point is pretty clear… Did you miss it?

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sans culottes January 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm

Are government workers beginning to “self deport” like unemployed Mexican lawn care technicians?

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Danceswithtruth January 23, 2013 at 1:11 pm

Perhaps we should go back even further – to the founding of the colonies. Captain John Smith insisted that “He who shall not work, shall not eat.” This pretty much parrots 2 Thes 3:10.

Save those who cannot, most everyone has something to contribute. Unfortunately, we live in a day where if you make bad decisions others are burdened with suffering the consequences more than the one who made the bad decision.

I would love if we rolled back time and had a “do over”. Let the charities, mostly the churches, distribute charity. There are very few consequences to making poor choices any more. There seems to be a safety net around every corner destroying the incentive to learn from your mistakes. You drop out of high school and don’t want to go to college? No problem. Just apply for food stamps, housing assistance, etc. because you deserve the same “happiness” as anyone else. You pile on debt so high you get to the point you can’t pay your bills? No problem. File bankruptcy and start all over. You decide you must have all the stuff you don’t really need today and find you don’t have much for tomorrow because you didn’t save? No problem, we’ll take care of everything.

Until the populace decides differently these dog and pony shows will continue no matter who is in charge at the moment. For those of us who do things differently, well…….we still have to partake in the ride as well. Fortunately, for some, we get to minimize the impact.

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cincycinco January 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm

This isn’t NEARLY as ironic as was inaugurating a President whose main political strength, primary reason for getting the job, and most prominent reason for keeping the job is that he’s Black – on Martin Luther King day, of all days.

What was that line?

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. ”
Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth115056.html

Sigh.

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Kevin Stowell January 23, 2013 at 1:23 pm

This here’s the story of Barry Soetero
Who changed his name to Barack Hussein
He knows how to talk and he knows how to fight
And all the contenders were beat out of sight

Sing, Baracky, Baracky Hussein
He floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee
Baracky, the black superman
Who calls to the other guy I’m Barry catch me if you can

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suzy000 January 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm

If that isn’ reason enough to reduce the scope of government then we are destined to implode. Already the Dem. Party (Obam) areseeking ways to reduce the impact of te GOP by omitting filibustering and going on an all out operation to split the GOP in the House. They see this coming and are prepared….they better be anyway! This is the one time in history that the GOP need to remain dedicated to each other and Conservative values as they will witness an all out attack from the left!

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Joe January 23, 2013 at 1:27 pm

You do realize that is just about the same percentage of federal workers to population in 1776 and 2011 correct? Not sure why this is a big deal.

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Not So Fast January 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm

Not really, Joe…1776 there were approximately, (according to the article above) 40 federal workers per 100,000 population. 2011 there were approximately 680 per 100,000….that is 17 times greater. And yeah, I believe it is a big deal.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 2:12 pm

@Not So Fast – Go to BLS and get the data. There is a nice report going back to 2000 – further if you care to dig… While Obama has been president, Government employment has decreased. That is just a fact.

Thanks for sharing on 1776 – Why folks talk about 1776 in this context is well known – but has little basis in sustained conversation. We were a fledgling upstart with zero infrastructure… The comparison might make good talk at a bar, but does little to advance the narrative here.

Hey, what do you think about those Forty Niners? Have a chance?

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 1:35 pm

Barack Obama: Administrator

If he were alive today, Edward House, Woodrow Wilson’s right hand man and author of the novel “Philip Dru: Administrator”, would have been dancing a jig at one of the recent after hours coronation parties at the White House. If he could only see America today, he would realize his blueprint for radical socialist revolution – 100 years in the making – has reached fruition…

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Jsmith January 23, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Obama has no respect for life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

Respect for life in incompatible with his support for abortion, which includes allowing babies to be left out to die should they survive the procedure. There is no more radical position than this.

Respect for liberty is incompatible with the enormous number of restrictions, regulations, taxes and fees he has laid on the American people.

Respect for the pursuit of happiness, but which the Founders meant ability to participate in commerce, is incompatible with his pro-union stance, the firing of the head of GM (and other usurpations upon them), and Obamacare.

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scott nudds January 23, 2013 at 1:40 pm

So on average, only 2 out of every 350 people work for the federal government.

About 0.57 percent of the U.S. population.

That is a remarkably small number.

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The Arbiter January 23, 2013 at 1:41 pm

WOW. What a DUMBAZZ statistic! And you wonder why you people keep takin’ it in the GIBLETS! Because you are STUPID, you MAJOR in MINORS. You congratulate yourselves when some idiot on some obscure show, mirrors one of the stupid thoughts that rattle around in your damaged brains. And somehow you convince yourselves that you’re winning. There are THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY MILLION people in the U.S. There are more people working on WALL STREET than lived in any single state in the U.S. in 1776 and SO FREAKING WHAT? What does that PROVE? NOTHING that’s what. The population has GROWN DUMAZZ! There are more people in EVERY pursuit of life than there were when your hero slave owners raped slaves and had WOODEN TEETH. SO F-ING WHAT.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Geez, Arbiter… Not that anyone listens to an opposing position around here, but you just took the same approach so often found here….

Heck, liberals are suppose to be the educated snotty ones with high brows and “visions”… You just set them back a few IQ points…lol… That said, I share your pain on some levels… and so do the folks who frequent this Blog to vent…

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David January 23, 2013 at 1:47 pm

Joe, I ran the numbers roughly and I’m getting that we have approx 17 times the number of federal employees now. Are you the idiot type liberal or the lying type?

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Richard Wells January 23, 2013 at 1:53 pm

I’m not sure how those numbers would any way reflect in a negative light population grows and so did presence in foreign countries, with it so would the government its simple math

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Mark Early January 23, 2013 at 1:54 pm

Ummm… Isn’t that people that would not otherwise be making a paycheck? But I suppose free market job creators would be making up for all those jobs?

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Scottso January 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm

Keith, I’m surprised at you…there are better number comparisons…

From 2008-2013 the country has added 12 million to our population (303 to 315 million).

from 2008-2013 15 million people were added to FOOD STAMPS!

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RT January 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm

Nice! And true…

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Kimbly January 23, 2013 at 2:06 pm

Everybody should agree we have too many federal government workers. There is duplication of entire agencies, for god’s sake. Spend five minutes on the cagw.org website for an idea. You say do the math – well, we did the math and the PROPORTION of fed employees to population has increased 17 fold! If anything the proportion should have DECREASED due to economies of scale and the advent of computer technology.

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Larry January 23, 2013 at 4:44 pm

Not only that . Did you ever consider that a Federal or any governmental worker is a net drain on the government’s cash flow. Private sector worker pay comes from an exchange of money for goods or services which generate taxes which flow to the governemnt. Governmental workers conversely do not pay taxes persay….they merely rebate a portion of their pay back to the government. So any lowering of especially Federal worker would mean more money for the needed beneficial programs. But sadly there will never be a move for less Federal workers only a push for more and more to Regulate the Private Sector and siphon off more and more money.

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Joe January 23, 2013 at 2:09 pm

The type that missed a decimal point.

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mark eaves January 23, 2013 at 2:11 pm

Not too many to eliminate.

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Chris January 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm

The number is actuall LESS than the last couple administrations, GW and Clinton when Homeland Security (200,000+ employees) is not counted as that was implemented during GW’s days and not barely complete with the addage of new job vacancies until afte Obama entered. You won’t get those types of details from this author though, he won’t bother to even give you a reference.

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Adam Bievenue January 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm

Why are the Postal service numbers not included? What about the military? When I served I was most certainly a government employee. If you add those numbers the percentage should change significantly.

Post Office
546,000 — number of career employees

US Military
Active personnel 1,456,862
Reserve personnel 1,458,500

So estimate 5.7 million on the Federal Payroll. Since we are speaking about the size and scope of our government I think we should include these.

US Population
311,591,917 – Jul 2011
Obvious Federal Employees
5,700,000 est.

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KP 74 January 23, 2013 at 4:54 pm

George Washington did not have a standing army for much of his presidency.

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Steve u January 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm

Because the post office is an Independent agency that had not receive federal tax dollars since the 1980′s.

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Chris January 23, 2013 at 2:32 pm

And guess which admin had the most…. Ronald Regan. – by a long long shot.

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 3:09 pm

We can go back 100 years to see the progress in growth of this bureaucratic leviathan. I’m not buying your claim about Reagan. He was the first and last true conservative president in my lifetime…so far. He tried to abolish the Department of Education. It was becoming increasingly radicalized by the teachers unions and intruding on states rights. He was unsuccessful because the ruling class – on both sides of the aisle – will never give up a source of power.

“Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” – Ronald Reagan

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RT January 23, 2013 at 6:28 pm

Susan – “I’m not buying your claim about Reagan.”

Huh? Why not?

You are wrong, Susan. But that’s OK. It is just a simple fact. It does not mean Reagan was a bad President or lessen his historical contributions. Run the graphs on how our deficits went up under Reagan (Bush 41 / 43 for that matter). These are just numbers – fact, but just that.

It ain’t about the “fact” Susan – it is what is derived from the fact(s). Up until Obama, these three president ran up more debt that nearly the sum of all president before them. That simple.

You need to acknowledge some simple truths Susan. So what? Well, as Reagan would say, it limits any hope of someone taking you serious…

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 7:34 pm

Wasn’t there a Clinton in between the Bushes?

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RT January 24, 2013 at 1:34 am

The Pitch – Fastball, waist high 84 MPH, no movement

I am so tempted to answer this in PG13 language, but I will refrain.

Thanks for the opportunity! Maybe SNL can take it from here…lol…

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jack smith January 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm

OK, but then the House of Congress exceeds the entire (non-”native”) US population of 1620. And Obama – by himself! – exceeds the US European/Black population of 1450. I’m neither a liberal nor a supporter of Obama – I’m just making an observation…

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Michael B January 23, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Talk about cherry picking your data. Reagan and Bush I managed a larger federal workforce with a larger number of DOD employees. Bush II and Clinton had temporarily smaller governments. Is this why comments are moderated?

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AB January 23, 2013 at 2:45 pm

AND…they’re all in unions. All unions that support statist government. All unions that provide cash and bodies to wprk for statist candidates at every level of gubmint. Hmmmm….lemme see, lemme see could it be that when govt. union contracts are bieng negotiated and unions and politicians are sitting at the table NO ONE is there t0 represent the peasants?? Ooops! I mean the tax -payers. Sorry.

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jack smith January 23, 2013 at 2:51 pm

The unions were at the peak of their power during the Eisenhower years. Since then they’ve been in a decline. Drudge just linked to an article which announces that “Union membership is at a 70 year low.”

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130123/BIZ/301230391/Union-membership-falls-70-year-low?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 3:31 pm

AB is referring to federal employee unions. They would not be included in the article you reference. FDR – hero of the intellectual progressives – was dead set against unionizing federal employees…

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15445

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Jeff1000 January 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Obama twisted and distorted and butchered the words of our Founding Fathers like a true Alinsky Marxist, but he sure does give a great speech. Yeah, right.

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chica January 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm

Nobel Peace Prize Nominee: Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US

Citizens”

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars
January 22, 2013

2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee Jim Garrow shockingly claims he was told by a top

military veteran that the Obama administration’s “litmus test” for new military

leaders is whether or not they will obey an order to fire on U.S. citizens.

Garrow was nominated three years ago for the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize and is the

founder of The Pink Pagoda Girls, an organization dedicated to rescuing baby girls

from “gendercide” in China. Garrow has been personally involved in “helping rescue

more than 36,000 Chinese baby girls from death.” He is a public figure, not an

anonymous voice on the Internet, which makes his claim all the more disturbing.

“I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a

new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military

leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the

military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”. Those who will not are being

removed,” Garrow wrote on his Facebook page, later following up the post by adding the

man who told him is, “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” whose goal in

divulging the information was to “sound the alarm.”

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RT January 23, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Yikes – just when you think it can’t get any worse… No wonder the Cubs can’t win another Title…

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RT January 23, 2013 at 3:04 pm

NEWSFLASH:

Headline: Cubs Paying the Price for Their Role in Fiscal Crisis in 1907 and subsequent policy focus in 1908.

Shortly after the Cubs won their first World Series in October, 1907, there was a financial panic: A run on Knickerbocker Trust Company stock sets events in motion that will lead to a depression. Then in 2008, the Cubs won the World Series again – their last. President Taft was swept into office as a result and swiftly implemented a domestic agenda that largely focused on trust-busting, civil service / postal service reform, and passage of the Sixteenth Amendment (Taxes). Ba bye Cubs!

Fast Forward: With Taft and Wall Street setting the stage, the Cubbies have been conspired against for over a century. In 2008, having won their division with 95+ games, they look promising for a World Series appearance. Catching wind of this, Washington Cronies contact Barrack Obama and ask the soon to be 44th President to intervene. Leading in the polls by a huge percentage and a shoe, Obama shows his true colors and sells his soul to accommodate Washington insiders… The Cubbies lose 3-0 to a mediocre LA team.

You just have to connect the dots! The Cub Organization has had enough. For the Cubs to win a world series, they now realize they are going to have to get with the program. Brushing 100’s of years of tradition aside, I have inside information that the Cubs have reached out to the Tea Party. Stand by as this breaking story develops…

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srdem65 January 23, 2013 at 3:30 pm

I’m heading out to Walmart with my tea party coherts to buy new boxes of crayons, but you better believe that the minute we get back to our ‘puters, we’ll be connecting the dots on our keyboards.
With our new crayons. Yeah.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm

@65. Hah! Walmart? With all of their outsourcing? You are unamerican! ;)

Not a Cub fan I see…lol..

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srdem65 January 23, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Not so, WGN is one of the networks on my system, but I did lose interest when the late, great Harry Caray passed.
CUBS WIN!!

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RT January 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Good! – we have one thing in common then. A start… :)

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Jonny January 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm

Bush created DHS… ?

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Michael Kaltz January 23, 2013 at 3:21 pm

When one,s life is threatened does a person’s identity or reason matter? HILLARY SEEMS TO HAVE HER PRIORITIES MIXED UP.

First order and Oath taken by the Commander in Chief is, “…to defend American People…”. IT DOESN’T LEAVE ROOM FOR WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEIR MOTIVES, OR ANYONE’S POLITICAL AGENDA.

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tbd13.0 January 23, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Although this is an interesting fact, it doesn’t provide any insight in terms of size. This would be a more useful fact if the author used percentages as well.

In 1776 the size of the government represented X.X% of the population and in 2011 under the current president where the size of government represents nearly the entire population in 1776, the government accounts for X.X% of the population.

Although this is interesting, it is difficult to draw a conclusion.

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Langley Spook January 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm

Obama is a Socialist.
All “citizens” work for the government.

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sans culottes January 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm

No smoking, and eliminate fats and alcohol from your diet.

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm

What do we do for fun?

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Grover Sage January 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm

All citizens ARE the government.
You should check it out…..you know……the stuff in books……

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RightStuff January 23, 2013 at 3:54 pm

Wasn’t 2.5 million about the margin that Obama won his second term? Strange!

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natural1 January 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm

And more on the way. New departments for new gun laws, health care, gay equality for sure will need a shit load for that, new immagration laws…hell we are doomed…how can the tax payers pafford this? God Bless America!

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Grover Sage January 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Um……..the Constitution was designed to CREATE power and UNITE the independent colonies. And to suggest we live in the 18th Century is just…..well…….childish.

I guess not many people go to school anymore.

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 4:14 pm

Product of our stellar unionized public school system. The Constitution of the United States was written to be a timeless document. That is why there is an amendment process. There is no expiration date on any of our founding documents, to include the Declaration of Independence.

By the way, if that 18th century document is so yesterday’s news, why does your beloved government require all it’s employees like Preezy Revenge to take an oath to protect and defend it?

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RT January 23, 2013 at 4:26 pm

@ Susan – You are missing his point. Or, if I dare, you get the point but choose to ignore it and plod on with whatever…

Ole Grover is trying to point out that Keith’s Blog Post was cheesy, i.e., not meaningful. That’s it. Now, if you want to discuss its profound relevancy, go ahead. My guess, that ain’t going to happen.

But, do not worry. Keith is fine.

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm

Guess Grover needs one of his intellectually superior overseers to explain his post for him.

“Arguing with progressives is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around likes it’s victorious.”

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RT January 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Too funny Susan – Grover needs no help. This is on you dear, as your ignorance was clearly demonstrated by ***YOUR*** initial response to Grover… and subsequently to me.

BTW, do you know what a Progressive is? Try Wikipedia first. I do not want your head to explode by ingesting content that may enlighten your frame of reference… ;)

Not all is lost. I love the quote.

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Susan January 23, 2013 at 8:10 pm

Wikipedia is your source for facts? No wonder American society is in such dire straits.

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RT January 24, 2013 at 1:44 am

Sorry Susan – Um no, Susan. Wikipedia is not a source I use much. But, once again, you missed the obvious play / fun I was having… Well, maybe not so obvious if you were not paying attention… Let me explain:

I wanted you to try Wikipedia why? “So your head would not explode”… Why Wikipedia? Because if you went deeper, i.e, real research, it would “enlighten your frame of reference.” Not stated but implied – “you do not want to be enlightened.” Why not enlightened? Glad you asked. It ties back into your “Progressive” comment… You know, how we “progressives are all striving to enlighten others to our social causes…et. al…

Oh! I get it!

My job is done here. No thanks required. Send payment to my Paypal account. It is forwarded to Keith. :)

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Jimmy Cammack January 23, 2013 at 4:03 pm

What about the indians that were about to be killed?

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John January 23, 2013 at 4:34 pm

In history, how many groups of humans have taken land from the existing inhabitants? This has been going on for MANY thousands of years.

The american Indians are not alone in this. Looking at the way Indians lived thru killing, torture and a hand to mouth existence. They are better off now with the many advantages we have afforded them. I.E. Liquor, venereal disease, Flatulence, overweight, and heart disease.

How could they possibly be better. They could have Obama in charge of them!

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Jeff January 23, 2013 at 4:03 pm

Impeach Obama!!!

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Anyone January 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm

George Orwell – Animal Farm

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Jack Kinch(1uncle) January 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm

The originals won freedom from tyranny. The current lot are going back to it.

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John January 23, 2013 at 4:25 pm

With Obama in charge, in 2015 the entire population of the USA will be government employees or dependents!

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Zachary Zalewski January 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Interesting data and comparisons. Just doing some quick calculations, using your numbers:

~1007 federal workers (1000 + 5 cabinet + President Washington + VP Adams) for a country with a population ~2.5M (for sake of argument between 1776-1789 let’s say the birth rate equaled the death rate, there was a war fought in between this time, after all) means ~0.04% of the population constituted the federal government. In 2013, we have ~2.15M federal employees for a nation of ~300M, meaning ~0.72% of the population constitutes the federal government. This is roughly an 18-fold increase in the size of the federal government, relative to the population estimates. If the percentage listed for 1789 were applied to today’s population, the federal government would be ~120K persons.

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RT January 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm

Where did you get your MBA? Geez…

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ObamaIsGodAwful January 23, 2013 at 4:34 pm

Who could have imagined it would take so long?

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Reagan is my Hero January 23, 2013 at 4:39 pm

If we really want small government we need a sound intellectual reason for small government and we need to expose real, undeniable examples of government excess. This article does neither. Keith Koffler’s blurb here, which makes for a nice headline on Drudge is a very poor critique of our “government knows best – together will will pursue MY agenda” president. Poor critique because, when you click on the link to view the raw data you find that the number of federal employees has bounced up and down over the years and was actually higher during some of the years Reagan was in office than it is now. It’s true that for the first few years of Obama it looked like federal employment was increasing fast. But, the growth federal employment numbers leveled and are coming down a little. Heres the data: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CES9091000001?cid=32325 (note: you’ll see spikes in this graph every 10 years for census workers) I’ve no doubt that Obama wants a much more expansive federal government (not to mention more intrusive) but there really hasn’t been any explosion in federal hiring. Sloppy blogging like Mr Koffler’s article doesn’t help the cause of freedom and it doesn’t help the cause of conservatives, Republicans or libertatians. It makes us look instead like reactionaries with no intellectual basis for our worldview.

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Harvey Ardman January 23, 2013 at 4:44 pm

The irony is that the size of the Federal government has hardly changed since 1960, even though the population of the country has gone up nearly 40%. It’s a total myth that Obama has significantly increased the size of the government. Here’s a look at the official numbers: http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2010/09/the-true-size-of-the-federal-workforce/40168/. Notice that Reagan’s administration employed more than Obama’s, despite the lower population.

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RAVerhoeckx January 23, 2013 at 4:49 pm

The present condition of the US is not in the hands of Obama, rather it is the lack of opposition from the Republican leadership. For evil men to succeed it is for the so called good men to do nothing.
Conviction is worthless unless it is converted to action!

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cdh January 23, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Our Federal Government is one big welfare program

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ReConUSMC January 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm

When Obamacare fully kicked in the Fed Govt. employee roll could reach approx. 3 Million .
Why do I say that ? England has 73.9 Million Living there .
The largest employer in all of England by far is the Health services Div.
They are currently in talks with a German Health care Private Co to take them over like many Prisons in America today as are many Private Schools .

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