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Catastrophe for Conservatives, But Not the End

by Keith Koffler on November 7, 2012, 2:21 am

The reelection of President Obama is a catastrophe for conservatives that will set the United States on a track from which it will be difficult to derail. But the task for the Right is not impossible.

Obama’s victory is not a catastrophe, as some will maintain, because conservatism can’t prevail in an presidential election. The Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, is not a conservative, and he failed to assertively articulate conservative ideas.

Rather, it’s a catastrophe because Obama’s left wing agenda will now be ensconced more firmly than ever, and some portions of it may never be dislodged.

Republicans lost the presidency, failed by a mile to retake the Senate, but retained the House. So conservatives will have to fight a rear guard action to resist further movement to the left, an engagement in which they can be partially, but not fully, successful.

Obamacare is now here to stay. The United States will move inexorably toward socialized medicine, and the quality of health care for all will begin to decline irrevocably.

Federal spending, which stands at its highest level since World War II, will stay right where it is and perhaps increase. Dependency on government will become better established as a way of life. Government will intrude in ever more creative and pernicious ways into the daily lives of Americans, as Obama rules by fiat to the greatest extent possible and issues regulations affecting myriad aspects of our lives.

As more people become acclimated to receiving government largesse, fewer will be open to conservative ideas about self-reliance. Businesses will find it more difficult than ever to operate as the burdens of rules and paperwork weigh them down.

Some within Republican circles will argue, in effect, “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” That Republicans must moderate their message to appease a public that has rejected conservative ideas.

But Republicans just did moderate their message. They ran Mitt Romney as their candidate.

Conservatives will have to think not how to water things down, but how to sell their program to people who have failed to embrace it. They need to bring Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans into their tent. Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.

Republicans have to be unafraid to explain the tough choices facing America, the sometimes hard solutions conservatism offers, and the brighter future these solutions will bring.

America will become a more dependent country under Obama. But the evidence of decay will mount. And the demand for sweeping change will return.

And then, with patient confidence that Americans – all Americans – have the strength and intelligence to embrace messages that aren’t popular with the media or cool with Bruce Springsteen, conservatives must make their case.

Americans respect leaders who have principles and stick to them.

Republican candidates at the presidential level who followed Ronald Reagan have never really understood the value of standing for something. And they’ve never respected voters enough to present the conservative case. They think voters just want to hear the sappy news that government will take care of them. Republicans have to take the time and have the patience to explain why this doesn’t quite work.

The American spirit of initiative, self reliance and private charity will be depleted over the next four years. But it won’t be gone. And that’s why Obama’s reelection is a catastrophe, but not the end, for conservatives.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 2:34 am

I take a different view. I am graterful to Romney for his efforts and good heart. I am not feeling animosity toward the Republicans. I think a weird fate of some sort has taken over our country–mass hysteria, something–that has delivered us into the hands of these really quite mediocre people. So now we look at four more years of SSD(Term). But that is our system, however skewed it has become by the defection of the press. We go on. We still hold these people accountable–so…let’s hear what really happened in Libya.

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Julie Brueckheimer November 7, 2012 at 9:28 am

Well put.

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anneinarkansas November 7, 2012 at 10:45 am

I agree.
Keith, I just read Michelle Obama’s Mirror today. The William Butler Yeats poem says it all.
I can remember studying the poem in graduate school and wondering how it would feel…We feel it today.

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Shofar November 7, 2012 at 11:22 am

Just some basic numbers crunching, but if my figures are at all close (note I do not say 100% accurate) there are approx. 230 million voting age persons in the US. Yesterday saw approx. 116.6 million vote. Of that little over half voted for Obama, or approx. 59.8 million.

Translate those numbers, and you have approx. one quarter of the voting age population who elected the president of the United States. This is a direct indictment of our education system, a system that has forgotten the importance of civics and civic responsibility. Add to that the issues of the campaigns themselves, and it is no wonder that only half of our citizens vote.

How ironic, that in counties that the US has brought democracy, 90+% of the citizens vote, and yet in what was once considered the freest of countries, only half do.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 1:09 pm

My sister gets her skinny from The View, Maher and Ent Weekly. She called me this morning and asked how I was (I have been having dizzy spells). I said the spells returned last nite–I took a dramamine. I said the election did me in–she said, “I don’t want to hear that political crap–just how you are.” Soooo….there we are.

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Death Ray November 7, 2012 at 1:39 pm

I’ve read through most of these comments, and the reason you lost is crystal clear, if you are ready to accept it.

None of you actually WANTED Mitt Romney to be your president. You only wanted Obama to lose.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Death Ray! You’re back. We crave your insights into what we actually think (eyeroll). I desperately wanted Obama out, but equally depserately wanted new blood, a new start, new ideas, new energy. I need clients, inspiration, a good economy. I was excited about a new face…and an upstanding man of character, not posturings. But it was not to be. But the fight continues. Never give up, never give in. We are back where we started–crippling problems, a split Congress, and a vague, hands-off guy at the helm.

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Death Ray November 7, 2012 at 2:43 pm

And yet, you are simply confirming what I stated. Yes, you wanted Obama out. And in his place you wanted “new blood”, a “new start”, and so on.

Well, if you live in a dimension where abstract concepts can hold high office, I suppose those catch-alls will do. But in this Universe, only human beings can be president, and apparently you didn’t really want the carbon-based lifeform named “Mitt Romney”. You certainly didn’t say so just now.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm

..upstanding man of character, etc. Plain English. Four more years of THIS? Oy.

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Aaron Solomon November 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm

Obama is a piece of shit, and so are his followers. Any decent person would want him out, first and foremost. Unfortunately, our nation is overrun with scum like you.

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Death Ray November 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm

I went to your website. The crying eagle! Bwah ha ha ha!! Thank you, Aaron. You have made today a true victory.

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Susan November 7, 2012 at 7:34 pm

Celebrate your victory for now, Death Ray. Just remember you will be subject to the same tyranny as we are now that your messiah won re-election. He doesn’t need your vote any longer. You reap what you sow.

Death Ray November 8, 2012 at 9:59 am

Susan-

“Tyranny”? “Messiah”? Yawn. That playbook didn’t win you the election, and your Fox-speak rings all the hollower now. What else ya got?

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ehancock November 8, 2012 at 11:46 am

The current vote for Obama is 60.7 million, more than two and a half million more votes that Romney’s 57.9 million.

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rulierose November 7, 2012 at 1:42 pm

if there is a god in heaven, he will send us a Woodward & Bernstein to find out what really happened in Benghazi. and if there’s any sort of justice in the world, Barack Obama will receive it.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 2:22 pm

He said he would bring people to justice…of course, he says a lot.

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Like I said the ‘media’ is part of why Obama won they’ve covered up
for him all along and will continue. Everyday the truth about Benghazi
gets buried a bit deeper. But everyday Obama is in office he’s walking on the graves of four American’s and that will be part of his ‘legacy’
something he will carry around if he’s got a conscience.

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Sadie November 7, 2012 at 2:36 am

It’s not just the disappointment, it’s the short and long term damage. Call it the Humpty Dumpty effect – America was already fractured and the 2012 election just scrambled it. They so loved the 1960′s “make love not war”
”G-d is dead” ”Black is beautiful” and through their purple haze forgot every chapter and verse of history before and since. We and by ‘we’ I mean those of us, who are living relics of those days are just an oddity, a bump in the road to quote another in the 21st century. We are the shovel-ready project promised – they intend to bury us in debt. They don’t have debt, they have credit cards, EBTs and never have to touch anything green, unless it’s organic. The Constitution, it’s also a relic for them. There will be at least two empty seats on SCOTUS – and installing the like-minded will …..?

a) have us capitulating to the UN.
b) adopting Agenda 21.
c) more tolerance/pc rules and regs. for “blasphemous” language.
d) all of the above

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Star November 7, 2012 at 2:44 am

If it’s any consolation, all this takes energy and this president is sort of lazy. Now he has nothing to protect (his ego as a winner) so he may do even less. Also Congress is not lined up in his favor–so I am thinking gridlock more than anything. I am going back to bed…talk to you guys tomorrow, today…you know…

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Wendy November 7, 2012 at 2:52 am

I agree – he is basically lazy and this election isn’t going to change that. He would have to do a 180 degree turn around. Kirsten Powers on Fox tonight said he should sit down with Bill Clinton to get his advice about how to get along with others he does not agree with – my God is she serious. Everything is about him – if it weren’t he would have been meeting with leaders of his own party the last couple of years and from what I have observed – he hasn’t even done that.

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Anonna November 7, 2012 at 5:08 am

Ah, the golfing and the vacaying and the partying may now recommence. Wonder where MoochMORE will go first on her very own private big plane?

This is going to be interesting. The sillies re-elected Obama. The fools who think a puppet march and a coy commercial about losing one’s voting virginity are meaningful thought — proved they are right in present-day America.

Thus far I have had two run-ins with Obamacare — physical therapy cut short because I had reached a cap imposed retroactively and suddenly receiving phone calls with very general medical advice about taking my medicines from Medco when I did refill a couple of presecriptions quickly enough for Daddy government. Refused real and needed care — given strangers overseeing my behavior — this is healthcare under The One.

He pulled it off. He was an incumbent. He had the free goodies, or at least the promise of them. Women can celebrate by screwing a stranger and not having to pay for contraceptives.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 10:19 am

This is what drives some of us so crazy. People can’t see how badly Obamacare will be for them. They don’t understand that they will not get the quality of care that they had (or could have had) before. My elderly mother has already run into these things, as well. It’s just a sad, sad thing that O voters are going to be smacked with the reality of more money being sucked out of their tiny checks…if they ever manage to find a job.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 11:12 am

I just blogged today on how some companies are already bringing in workers at under 30 hrs a week to beat the Obamacare requirement in 2014. http://hopeycopey.blogspot.com.

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Perhaps she’ll get a salary now for all her hard works? Maybe we
will all be issued sleeveless uniforms and they will come to everyone’s house and take all sodium away and demand we all
grow our own food. Certainly couldn’t call it a ‘victory garden’.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 1:11 pm

Sleeveless uniforms–I laughed, thanks.

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Hominid November 7, 2012 at 6:57 am

Lazy means he’ll do his will by signing executive orders rather than through Congressional legislation.

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Sadie November 7, 2012 at 9:24 pm

Star, there’s no consolation. 24 hours following his reelection SEE: (c) the youtube film of 15-minute fame was sentenced to one year in jail.

Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee’s call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.SEE:(a)

And that is just day one of the next four years.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 9:44 am

And Colorado and Washington approved legalization of recreational marijuana use…

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Wendy November 7, 2012 at 2:47 am

I still believe that Mr. Romney would have made a good President – most importantly bringing both sides together to try and reach a compromise on very important issues. I really was optomistic about his chances – needless to say I am disappointed. What really irritates me is that all these pundits say it is the House Republicans and Tea Party representatives that prevented any progress. How anyone (with a straight face) continue to blame our current situation on President Bush without assigning any blame to the President. I did not listen to his speech but I did read it – I simply cannot listen to him anymore – he is a phony. He has not been a leader – I listened as commentator after commentator talked about what Romney should have done. Honestly – at the end of the day, I don’t know if it would have made any difference. Half of the electorate simply does not want to have serious dialogue about our problems and what needs to be done. They don’t like what is going on, but they don’t want their “pie” affected. The President reminds me of someone who is involved in lots of local clubs and holds a position such as President or some other position in the “cabinet”. They make sure their name makes the papers – but really do nothing.

I still believe the President is in way over his head. Now I will watch to see if he really does try to come together to resolve problems. Honestly – I really don’t think this Administration cares that much about the private sector – particularly the small business sector. Their strength lies in keeping the unions in power and people on the government dole. For all of us who work for small businesses – we will just have to wait and see. I can assure you, the economy is not looking good. I really do fear for my adult children and grandchildren as this debt continues to grow. I don’t think there is the stomach for our politicians to really make the tough choices.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 5:49 am

oh you mean like the bipartisan stimulus, the bipartisan osamaCare and all the other bipartisan rule by fiat decisions that the president made. oh i see what you mean by coming together and agreeing. the divider in chief has done everything he could NOT to come together and listen to anyone else. he is not interesting in doing a thing except lecturing the gop on all subjects.

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Octgirl November 7, 2012 at 9:18 am

Great post…thanks. And I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 9:31 am

Good post, Wendy.

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John Davis November 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Good post. I agree on all points.

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 2:50 am

Christie was a big bad omen.

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Keith Koffler November 7, 2012 at 2:59 am

He will never be president.

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Wendy November 7, 2012 at 3:00 am

You are absolutely correct. Too abrasive (not matter how good a job he does).

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Girly1 November 7, 2012 at 3:05 am

That’s a comforting thought, Keith. What difference does anything make now?

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 7:22 am

Keith – I beg to differ. I don’t think it is implausible that Christie could become the next Democratic president.

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Julie Brueckheimer November 7, 2012 at 9:30 am

He has nowhere to go after the governorship, and I wonder if he will even win re-election. I had a bad feeling about him when he gave the keynote speech.

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rulierose November 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm

Christie shot himself in the foot with the Obama bromance after the storm, and you can bet the Romney camp and the GOP elite are boiling mad at him. and I suspect that if Christie did try to make a run in 2016, his bromance with the Muslim Brotherhood would come up. of course that didn’t hurt Obama, but…his is a different case.

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Anonna November 7, 2012 at 5:10 am

Christie’s a big emo — whatever he feels at the moment he feels intensely and that trait made Obama look just Presidential enough.

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Owen_Kellogg November 7, 2012 at 3:04 am

Well said, Keith. I once reminded an Obama-supporting co-worker how he would one day have to explain to his grandkids how he had voted for the worst President since Franklin Pierce. I now sadly realize that his grandkids will have no concept of the great nation that America once was.

This nation is now on a rapid decline, and our evolving government-educated electorate shows itself to be perfectly content with the current lawless mediocrity with absolutely no regard for America’s past exceptionalism. The nation that put men on the moon, won the cold war, defeated fascism in Europe and Asia simultaneously, and gave more to worldwide charity than the rest of the world through the history of time now finds itself a nation that can’t even honor its commitment to itself.

As Benjamin Franklin once said, we have a Republic if we can keep it. Two hundred and twenty-five years later, it is clear now that our Republic has finally been lost.

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 4:24 am

Not a shot fired we died trying but now we are the silent minority. The
President really showed us that he doesn’t like us and the feeling is
mutual. I’m going to be in the anger stage for a very long time. All my
family are radically liberal and they are being very obnoxious guess
gracious is not in the liberal dictionary.

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standish November 7, 2012 at 7:27 am

“Silent majority?”

Uh, no. The election says otherwise. Twice in a row.

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Mikethevike November 7, 2012 at 7:40 am

Can you read?

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 10:40 am

Read again I might be blind in one eye but it says ‘minority’.

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Twasbrillig November 7, 2012 at 8:13 am

You echo my thoughts exactly. Not only are my family obnoxious liberals, I have the misfortune of working in a setting filled with lefties as well.

While I too am angry at my fellow Americans for being short sighted and selfish, more importantly, I despair for the Republic. This was the narrow window of opportunity to change course, but it is lost now. We will just have to pick up the pieces as best we can.

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Death Ray November 7, 2012 at 11:02 am

“Gracious”? Come again? Had the Republican party maintained it’s dignity, had they operated in anything but anger mode for the past four years, you might have a president by now.

But thank you for setting the sore loser tone for the foreseeable future (“He doesn’t like us and the feeling is
mutual.”) This echoes the sentiments I heard from a Romney advisor this morning on NPR, that Obama thinks the Republicans are a bunch of “neanderthals”. But that sentiment is not coming from Obama. I think it is introspection.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 11:05 am

Actions, my dear, speak louder than words.

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Thanks:-)

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Ursula November 7, 2012 at 6:51 pm

I intend to be as gracious to the winners as they were to us in 2000 and 2004. And please, don’t bother to prattle on about “stolen elections” and all that other blather. No one here cares. No rational person does, and surely doesn’t include you leftists.

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Michael November 7, 2012 at 3:31 am

Wow. If Romney wasn’t conservative enough– the Party is in big trouble. Pro-life, cut-taxes, eliminate PBS, increase military spending, he ran the party line on most issues. The only time he started gaining traction in the polls– was when he threw out the script in the first debate. Republicans need to examine the exit polls carefully. There is a lot of information there that should guide them toward the next Presidential campaign. I hope Paul Ryan runs. He seems like an upright guy many (myself included) can get behind. But run him to the right, and suffer the same fate as this election. The majority of exit polls showed Americans blame Bush more than Obama for the current economic condition. Obama was beatable. The right messed up the message.

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joe November 7, 2012 at 4:00 am

correct. they didn’t sell the message.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 5:52 am

you gotta be kidding. romney was NEVER a real conservative about most issues. he was not about a smaller government. you know………actually spending less next year than you did this year. that’s what smaller government is. he was not going to come in and slash and burn whole departments in washington. he was an establishment pick and the second consecutive establishment pick to go down in flames. herman cain was the real conservative in the race but was brought down by a bunch of bogus claims.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 3:42 am

The fault is not with Romney who is a good man who loves this country and wanted to try and save her. The fault lies with every American.illegal and fraudulent voter who wanted obama as president. This will be a vulgar 4 years and barrack obama will dance on Americas grave.

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Crashmodem November 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

If Romney really was “a good man who loves this country and wanted to save her,” he might have practiced a bit more economic patriotism over the last few decades, so he wouldn’t have had to keep his tax returns under lock and key.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 7:52 am

Oh yes economic patriotism. Another meaningless socialist slogan. What lap.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 7:59 am

Apologies for the typo. What pap. Although about economic patriotism I guess I could also have said What crap.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Question: how have Michelle and Barack become multi-millionaires during the previous few years?
“The president earns a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account and $19,000 for entertainment.” -Wikipedia

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Star November 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm

I wonder that, too–seems like only yesterday he declared $1.7 million–now it’s $10M or more?

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David B November 7, 2012 at 8:01 pm

Its from books you morons…..but maybe you don’t know what books are.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 11:40 pm

You are not a gracious winner. Ever the angry “name callers”… I thought the proceeds from the books were to go to charities? I do not know. I did not buy the books.

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dt November 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm

I think the complete divorce from reality evidenced in your comment is what lost you the election. Come back down from the ledge. Take a deep breath. Learn to separate hyperventilating rhetoric from reality. Consider moderation. Consider equanimity. Just because facts, data, and evidence support the other side doesn’t mean that they’re skewed, biased, lying, and covering up. Just a thought.

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David B November 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm

Oh yes all that hate….you must be a Christian.

I call your type CINOs…..Christians in Name Only.

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Gordito Mojito November 7, 2012 at 3:57 am

Who Is John Galt?

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Mari November 7, 2012 at 6:05 am

That would be me now. I can’t quit work yet, but my spending is being cut way, way back and I will retire and move from Maryland asap.

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joe November 7, 2012 at 3:59 am

The commentator is right. Romney wasn’t conservative at all. Ten years ago you would have compared him to Ted Kennedy. Many of your were blinded by your hatred of Pres Obama to see Romney for what he is; a man who would say anything to get elected. Just because he ran a successful business over 2 decades ago makes him a conservative? The American people didn’t buy it. The majority of Americans believe in conservative values, and trust is very important. Romney and his team couldn’t sell it. You can’t etch-a-sketch your way into an election victory.

Also, he should have a picked a woman VP. Just saying.

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John T. November 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

I think he probably should have chosen a candidate of color. Obama engaged in some pretty crass race-baiting when he campaigned in minority areas. A running mate like Jindal or Rubio would have blunted that criticism, and may have won over a few of those oh-so-guilty-feeling white voters who were afraid to say no to Obama.

This was not a colossal failure of a campaign. An increase of support by 1% nationally probably would have given Romney the presidency. He could have gotten that with a different VP. Ryan is a very intelligent guy and I like him, but he appeals chiefly to people already in the GOP.

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John T. November 7, 2012 at 7:30 am

(And I know some people believe that Rubio was not eligible, using a very rigid definition of “natural-born citizen,” but honestly . . . he was born here, and the courts would certainly have sided with him. That debate was not very productive.)

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Constitutionally…a rigid definition (?) … Rubio is NOT a natural born citizen.

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ehancock November 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Since the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents, Rubio, Jindal and, yes, Obama, are all Natural Born US Citizens.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Here are some of the seven state rulings and one federal ruling that have ruled on Obama that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case, which btw was AFTER Minor v. Happersett, and which ruled that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen:

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”

Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

Oh, and the US Supreme Court on October 1 turned down two appeals of the Farrar case, meaning that the Georgia ruling that said “children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents” stands.

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Aileen November 8, 2012 at 8:35 am

The following explanation is not my own – I copied it several months earlier. I cannot give due credit to the author because I inadvertently did not copy the commentator’s “name.”

“Please understand that the 14th Amendment relates to citizenship, while the Article 2 of the Constitution relates to eligibility. Two different things.

Being born in the US makes you a native American citizen, meaning you acquired your American citizenship at birth.

Being born in the US from TWO US citizen makes you a Natural Born American, meaning you acquired your American citizenship at birth exclusively from any other citizenship.

You undertand the difference?

All Natural Born are Native, but all Native are not Natural Born.”

I believe this simple explanation is succinctly accurate.

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ehancock November 8, 2012 at 1:05 pm

The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen. There are only two kinds of citizens: Naturalized citizens and Natural Born Citizens. Every US citizen who is not Naturalized is Natural Born.

The US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case six to two (one justice not voting)—BTW the Wong Kim Ark case was AFTER Minor v. Happersett— that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that everyone born in the USA except the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

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ehancock November 8, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”

Farrar (et al.) v. Obama (Georgia 2012) ruling: “In 2009, the Indiana Court of Appeals (“Indiana Court”) addressed facts and issues similar to those before this court. [Ankeny] v. Governor, 916 N.E.2d (Ind. Ct. App. 2009). … The Indiana Court rejected the argument that Mr. Obama was ineligible, stating that children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. … This Court finds the decision and analysis of [Ankeny] persuasive.”

And by the way, on October 1, the US Supreme Court turned down two birther appeals of the Farrar decision in Georgia, which held that “children born within the United States are natural born citizens, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. …” What does that mean? It means that the ruling in the Farrar case STANDS.

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vr November 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Absolutely right!

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alexlondon November 7, 2012 at 3:59 am

“Conservatives… need to bring Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans into their tent. Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.”

Good luck with that. While Republicanism still stand – so volubly – for self interest of the established, it’s gonna be hard to dupe blacks or Latinos.

“Republicans have to be unafraid to explain the tough choices facing America, the sometimes hard solutions conservatism offers”

The tough choice facing America – and in reality it’s no choice at all – is to cut spending and raise taxes. I wonder if the Republicans will be able to accept that and make the necessary compromises?

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Mike November 7, 2012 at 4:18 am

Thank you Alex for this bit of sanity!

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Anonna November 7, 2012 at 5:12 am

” … it’s gonna be hard to dupe blacks or Latinos.”

I don’t know if it’s going to be so hard, after all, Obama has done it.

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John T. November 7, 2012 at 7:09 am

“it’s gonna be hard to dupe blacks or Latinos.”

Are you implying that these two groups are thriving under Dem rule?

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AuntieDecorum November 7, 2012 at 7:53 am

Yes, because it worked so well in Europe.

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Angie November 7, 2012 at 8:49 am

We are doing fine in Europe, thank you. Oh, and the Olympics were a success, too.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 9:43 am

I do congratulate you on the Olympics, which I enjoyed. However, Greece, Italy, and France all seem to be in chaos, with high unemployment and civil unrest, and the British health system is being investigated for their “Path To Death” and poor treatment of the elderly and terminally ill. Unless the European papers I’ve been reading are incorrect.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:23 pm

“Like”

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HimOfHymns November 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm

“Unless the European papers I’ve been reading are incorrect.”

Not necessarily, but it’s rare to find one that stands up to fact checking. Their media can often be as partisan as ours, which reduces them to little more than opinionated sources of confirmation bias. Much as it pains me, there’s nothing more than a bunch of he said, she said stories to throw at it.

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Ellen K November 7, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Obama had better look on the horizon. Ted Cruz won over the Republican handpicked David Dewhurst. He’s eloquent. He’s well educated. He’s conservative. He’s Texan. And he’s Hispanic with a colorful backstory to his family. Watch him follow Obama’s ascendency path to candidacy in 2016. You heard it here first.

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dt November 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Latinos are concerned about immigration, of course. What’s been less commented on, I think, is the fact that latinos watch Barack Obama – he’s the president of the United States, for heaven’s sake, his life and record picked over by the Clintons and Roves of the world – virtually being told to “get out of the car and show your papers” by half your party. Not just the wing nuts but secretaries of state, sheriffs, legislatures, presidential candidates, and 50% of your voters according to surveys. Romney couldn’t even bring himself to tell Trump, “you’re an idiot, shut up.”

Latinos know how that feels and it makes for a visceral, personal identification with Obama and a generation-long abhorrence of the Republican Party. Good luck on Cruz, Rubio, or Jeb Bush trying to overcome that.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 6:24 pm

That get out of the car thing is Chris Matthews–based, I guess, on a popular misinterpretation of Arizona’s immigation law. Got any original material?

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Scottso November 7, 2012 at 4:09 am

There is no faulting the Romney, Obama or the media.
The truth is something none of us realized: The American people no longer believe in the same things we grew up with.
They no longer want to be informed or vigil.
They do not want to ask what they can do for their country but what they can tell the country what it should do for them.
They don’t care if limits are placed on their freedom of religion. They aren’t concerned with a separate press. They don’t care about the 2nd amendment, or the 10th or the 6th or the 9th.
They just aren’t concerned with any of that “stuff”.

The American people have voted and deemed, that whatever the Government wants to do is fine, as long as the government provides things to people when they ask for it.

The American people can’t complain about anything anymore. They have spoken convincingly.

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MarjoJimbo November 7, 2012 at 7:06 am

You are absolutely correct.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 9:37 am

Good pts.

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RDB November 7, 2012 at 10:44 am

Scottso – Unfortunately I have to agree 100% with your comments. For whatever reason, all of these things have become too hard for most people today. There is too much focus on reality TV, celebrity and things that just don’t matter. I feel sorry for my kids.

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CAR November 7, 2012 at 10:20 pm

…and no prayer, either….

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HimOfHymns November 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm

“The American people can’t complain about anything anymore. They have spoken convincingly.”

We shouldn’t confuse a rejection with an endorsement. Listening to the left it seems as though many are unhappy with Obama, but voted for him anyway to reject the right. I had hoped that they would stay at home instead, but the voice I’m hearing is that we are too extreme. It’s strange to hear, as Romney was too weak for my liking but the only choice in the end. Yes we have to learn from this rejection, but I’m at a loss to understand what they want.

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Scottso November 8, 2012 at 3:05 pm

I would say it is an endorsement of sorts.
The Media and the President will say, “Look. We don’t do anything right. We are non-transparent. And we aren’t apologetic. AND YET, there are no consequences. Oh well. Let’s do it again, but more so”

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 4:10 am

Now for a change I wish the whole family will take a month’s vacation in the
big free house in Hawaii. We’re going to be paying for lots of sleeveless things
and mini me sweaters. Had a nightmare that all women had to wear sleeveless clothes. Sandra will be having her own summer of love at our expense. Party like its 1967 and I did.
Denial
Anger
Depression
Bargaining
Acceptance
In no particular order but that last one may not possible.

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DavidS November 7, 2012 at 4:15 am

Sorry, old white people. We voted against your agenda. I am white, church-going, and own a small business, but the last thing I want is for Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton, and the rest of the Bush crew back in charge.

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Adil November 7, 2012 at 4:38 am

The US currently has only the 37th best healthcare system in the world in terms of quality yet pays the most per capita for the system according to the World Health Organization. Singapore, where I live, has the 6th best healthcare system in the world yet its expenditure per capita is much lower, at 37th.

American conservatives – look at the data, and you will see that every other wealthy country in the world has a form of universal healthcare and most achieve better health outcomes than in your country. That’s why Romney supported this policy previously.

WHO Ranking by Country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

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Hass November 7, 2012 at 5:15 am

Glad you posted that – I was going to do the same. It’s time for Americans to wake up to the fact that they spend the most on education and healthcare despite these being far down the list in international comparisons of quality. Obama is a great leader; his support of gay rights is historic.

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Laila Ghazal November 7, 2012 at 5:34 am

With all due respect Adil, I too live in a country with a government healthcare system. I am American but I live in Belgium. The type of treatments here are tightly controlled. Perfect example – my partner a type1 diabetic requested a CCS -Coronary Calcium Scan. It is now the go-to non-invasive test for determining plaque buildup and heart attack risk. Cost is about 100 USD in the States and is the best diagnostic tool of it’s kind. But not in Belgium – it is not on offer anywhere or by any doctor in Belgium. Only earlier generations of much less effective tests are available here. Governments have no business running health plans.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 5:55 am

you are completely out of your mind

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Mari November 7, 2012 at 6:09 am

Sorry young idiot. You are the one who well pay for this for a lot longer than we will.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 8:01 am

Defense of country through hope. Good thing you are a church goer.

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CiscoKid November 7, 2012 at 10:29 am

That’s ok, us old white people will be long gone while you young white /black people will still be paying on dear leaders debt. The laughs on you.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:34 pm

We “old white people” will die…most assuredly. Who will pay for your healthcare then? You do not own a small business…you are self employed. Fess up…!

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Corey November 7, 2012 at 4:29 am

When even the worthless lefties at Papa John’s and Red Lobster start losing their jobs, they’re realize the error of their ways!

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 4:44 am

If Obama’s record of failure on just about every economic issue and every foreign policy decision cannot move the country in a different direction then only the total collapse and destruction of America will convince the still sleeping populace of the grave mistake it was to reelect Barack Obama. The resiliency of the free market and the hard working freedom loving Americans have prevented the total collapse of a constitutional America which has created the illusion that progressivism can still work if given more time, “four more years”.

If there is a silver lining it is that over the next four years no American will be able to deny that liberalism is a failure. Liberals as well as conservatives will have to fend for themselves as the nation collapses. It is only then that the American people can come together and try to rebuild the country from the ashes of liberalism. When everyone is fighting for survival the utopian dream cannot sustain itself; it will collapse too.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 5:56 am

drive the benghazi stake all the way to impeachment if need be. and that will do away with hillary for 2016 as well. obama lied and chris stevens died. it’s as simple as that.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 7:02 am

I’m afraid we missed the Benghazi boat. Romney needed to speak up. With Obama reelected the MSM is not going to cooperate, neither is the Senate, and if the top republican didn’t care enough about Benghazi to speak up, why would the sheeple who voted for Obama care? You saw what happened with Fast And Furious; Benghazi will be the same.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 9:38 am

That will never get past Harry the grave digger.

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P Aaronson November 7, 2012 at 4:47 am

I don’t think Mr Romney moderated his message very much. After all, he did pick Mr Ryan as his running mate, and he did call for large tax cuts. These are very clear indicators of his political direction. In addition, if elected, it is very unlikely he would acted to moderate conservative initiatives originating in Congress. Government policy would have shifted as far to the Right as would have been possible given the continuing control of the Senate by Democrats.

Therefore, the choice between Mr Romney and Mr Obama was nothing if not stark, and conservatives should not be in any doubt about what Mr Obama’s re-election, and the continuing Democratic control of the Senate, is telling them. As the numbers mount up, it’s not even turning out to be a particularly narrow victory compared to past elections.

The economy is improving steadily, businesses now know what the next four years are likely to hold and will have to invest more even if they aren’t very happy, which will drive unemployment down. In 2016 the Republicans are likely to face the immensely popular and more centrist Hillary Clinton and an electorate which will have continued its demographic shift towards groups which favor the Democrats.

Historically, the key mistake of ideologically extreme parties is to see defeat as a reason to move further away from the political center. Conservatives should think very hard about the price they are likely to pay for doing this. It would make much more sense for Republicans to engage constructively with the President, because if they continue to be viewed as acting solely to obstruct Mr Obama’s policies they run the risk of losing the House in 2014, which would be a real catastrophe for them.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 5:59 am

obama didn’t move to the center. what a stupid statement. in 2008 the democrat party moved as far left as you could get in nominating a marxist. didn’t seem to bother them at all with the willing accomplices in the media covering up who he really was. the only answer for us in 2014 is to run tea party candidates in every election we can…………state houses, congress and senate. we have to overtake the senate so judicial nominations will be stalled. i could envision a situation in which the house of representatives would have a veto proof majority and the prospects in the senate look good for being overtaken by the right in 2014.

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Weldon Elwood November 7, 2012 at 4:48 am

That will be an interesting conversation the GOP has with low income people to explain to them about tough choices: “we have to make the tough choice to deny you and your children health care, but that is a sacrifice we are willing for you to make, because Mitt Romney and Donald Trump don’t have enough money.” I bet that will have a lot of electoral appeal.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 6:00 am

they already have health care ….it’s called medicaid. the tough choice is in explaining to the takers that their way of life MUST come to an end.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 11:11 am

The hard conversation is, “Sorry kids, we can’t afford the clothes/shoes/books/lessons/tutor/extracurricular activity because we have to pay our Obamacare tax.” Or, “Sorry mom/dad/aunt Mary, you can’t have the new cutting edge treatment; the government says you aren’t worth it.”

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MeanBone November 7, 2012 at 4:54 am

Wow, this is quite the pity party. Hate to break it to ya, but Romney ran as a “severely conservative” candidate, and he brought Paul “I love Ayn Rand” Ryan along for the ride.

The truth is, Americans no longer buy the Reagan-Bush trickle-down horsesh1t anymore. They’ve seen conservatives in action — rich get richer, poor get poorer, and more war to keep the money and blood flowing — and they’ve rejected it.

The Republicans need to take a long look in the mirror, stick their crazy uncles in the attic instead of nominating them for Senate races, and become a moderate alternative. Maybe they will, but I suspect they might need to get smoked in a few more elections first.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 5:53 am

PLEASE READ

MeanBone, Why are you here?

The truth is that vote for vote, it was a close race and @ half of America IS conservative as we define it. I would not be smug nor superior if I were you. Maybe your half of the country doesn’t buy true conservative principles but mine does. We CERTAINLY are NOT enough of a minority to be called fringe or crazies or any other assortment of oh-so-tired names you can think of.

We are not going to change our principles or policies to suit you – why should WE change – your lot doesn’t, EVER. We may lose a few but we will also win – it is all cyclical.

If we want to have a pity party, we will. We are staying on our own turf here. We aren’t like you, trolling websites to rub salt in wounds, trying to “educate” us with your snide, in-your-face remarks. You see, we NEVER want to BE you or in any way be LIKE you.

What motivated you to come onto this website? What it to say “Wow, that was close but good game!.” OR “We kicked your ass! HA!” Which motive was noble, respectable or kind?

Here’s what you won’t understand about us conservatives: we will be the ones who will be there for you when it turns to worms, when there is trouble, when you are in need. We will disregard your contempt of us and help without a second thought. The government programs cannot give you the warmth in time of need that real people who care about their fellow man can. We believe in charity FIRST, government only when necessary. We would rather help each other and help YOU then have you rely on a government that doesn’t and cannot possibly care about you. That is who we are.

You don’t like us – we get that. But, as true conservatives, we will repect your right to blindly hate us when you don’t know us at all. And I dare say that our young and valiant men and women will continue to fight for that right all over the world and at home.

Now, I wish you well and congratulations on your win. Good game! I hope you find the happiness and peace of mind we all seek.

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MeanBone November 7, 2012 at 6:34 am

Suspicion confirmed: It will take a few more electoral wipeouts before moderation begins.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 7:03 am

Suspicion confirmed: you aren’t moderate at all despite all your claims – we know this is who you (collectively) are. Again, why are you here? Why are you bothering? And, what on earth can be your point?

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DRLORI November 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm

you cannot look for insight from someone lacking the capacity, wkrw. i am sure ‘meanbone’ celebrated when obama lowered himself to name calling, when tweeters suggested rioting if romney one, when, in one of his last rallys, obama’s ‘star’ called romney a ‘bitch’ – as it is, as it always has been, and as it always will be – the lowest will hate those who are brighter, have better, cleaner values, and who practice them – until they need something. then they will demand it, we will give it, and they will find a way to lay blame, decline responsibility, and justify in their minds their hatred once again. and this time, boys and girls, their hero is going to lead them somewhere where they will REALLY need us. only, of course, there will be no ‘us’ to respond.
here is the final irony – if this socialism really does go into effect, all those people wanting free stuff? they will have to get a JOB! because everyone actually WORKS in a true socialist society! wont that be hilareous to see?:>
would you WANT to be the candidate who got in by having people who make threats, publically curse, and dont hold jobs vote for u?
man, make my team those who strive, those who educate themselves, those who take responsibility and ask, how can i do better next time? and really shoulder the mantle of self-change – ANY day. let us all figure out how to exculpate ourselves from all obama’s new taxes in EVERY way we can, so there is no money, and watch all the grubby paws that are out come up empty. i, for one, am sick and DONE w/ feeding them, at cost to my own (who, by the way, were the ones i worked for in the FIRST PLACE).

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Lizzy November 7, 2012 at 4:35 pm

You know I would never think to go on a liberal website and crow had
the tables had turned the other way. Like I said gracious is not in
the genes of some.

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Guillermo Grande November 7, 2012 at 4:54 am

Thanks Keith for another great summary. Looks like Obama saved two jobs. His and I would expect you will have four more years of high octane work. It was an early night but not as hoped. I worry for the Republic and will now go dust off scary version. Obama said it was his last election but he didn’t say when he would leave the White House.

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Ted November 7, 2012 at 5:11 am

Oh please, Obama the totalitarian? What a trite lie. Obama has never been elected through anything less than entirely democratic means. The same cannot be said for Bush II.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 7:24 am

Ted buddy – what are YOU smoking?

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AuntieDecorum November 7, 2012 at 7:44 am

Oh, yes, voter intimidation, propagandanda at voting stations, GOP monitors kicked out and replaced by Dems…very democratic.

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Guillermo Grande November 7, 2012 at 8:23 am

Morning Ted. Trite? History is full of examples where the “Dear Leader” came to power through democratic means only to subvert the judiciary, destroy the rule of law, and whatever remains of a constitution. I do not pretend to be prescient but certainly do not think the point trite. This is important and clearly not obvious to at least slightly more than half of the electorate. Obama has already taken over 18% of the economy under the guise of affordable healthcare for all. What exactly do you expect to a “Secretary of Business” to do…take over the remaining 82%? I’m happy to be wrong on this. Are you?

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MattSCNY November 7, 2012 at 9:25 am

I realize that there are fears and hard feelings that will be very difficult if not impossible to repair from this election, but it should be understood that entirely legitimate concerns existed about a possible Romney win as well. I look at the success of the social mandates in Germany alongside that country’s growth of private industry and exported goods, and I see a capitalistic society worth emulating. I also look at the unavoidable scientific data on the harmful environmental effects of energy production from fossil fuels, and I see an impetus for investing whole-heartedly into new energy sources.

I support capitalism, but government does have a place. We would still have lead in the paint on our walls if it weren’t for regulation, because otherwise, the industry wouldn’t have to account for health concerns. The fossil fuel industry holds the largest companies in the world. Not only do they ignore environmental concerns, but they also have the resources to fight regulation by spreading misinformation to the public and lobbying for votes. This is largely what makes climate change a decisive issue. I would recommend http://www.climate-skeptic.com/ as a source for anyone wanting actual scientific information on the subject.

I don’t mean to disparage Guillermo, but there are intelligent points of view that oppose you but don’t oppose a strong and prosperous America. Most people who support President Obama do not support a break from capitalism. I would say that despite media presentation his views and actions also do not support socialism.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 9:54 am

@ MattSCNY – are you Ted in disguise? Really – Germany? Please!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-germany-economy-idUSBRE8A61A620121107

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Guillermo Grande November 7, 2012 at 10:38 am

Well written Matt. I don’t have issue with the sentiment just the path taken for the outcome desired by the other half. Some government and socialism are two worlds apart. 4 trillion in 4 years and what do we have to show for it? It simply is not sustainable.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:39 pm

If you truly think President Obama and his supporters support/approve of capitalism over socialism…I am at a loss for words.

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Laila Ghazal November 7, 2012 at 4:55 am

These words written today by Fred Barnes, Weekly Standard made me weep:

“He (Obama) still doesn’t understand what spurs private investment, robust economic growth, and job creation. He thinks raising taxes on the wealthy won’t alter their economic decisions. He’s under the impression that building roads and bridges is the key to a growing economy – that, plus making sure that no government worker at the federal, state, or local level gets laid off…”

I cry because as a moderate American living in Belgium and Europe for the last 15 years, I’ve lived this scenario. It doesn’t work. It is being thrown out here and all over Europe after irrefutable dismal failure.

Plus overbearing central governmental control is suffocating, crippling and infantilizing. Those who argue that it affords dignity to all are dead wrong. It makes people feel that they cannot survive without their government. It is destructive to human spirit, ingenuity and self reliance.

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 8:04 am

Anybody who has lived it knows it doesn’t work. And when that massive welfare network bursts it is ugly indeed.

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rubyinitaly November 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm

I also have lived in Europe: Italy for the past 31 years. It works only because the Italians are masters at muddling through under the radar and dealing in the black market. They don’t realize yet what a cruel master the EU is for them. It is tragic how the schools work (not) and the health system doesn’t (don’t get sick, don’t be more than 60 years old, don’t live in the south). It is a model of how not to run a country. Corruption is rampant on all levels. Everyone waits for someone else to clean up a mess, any mess. Being cowardly or a victim is considered honorable. Oh, but did I mention the food is great? And what is left of it is real pretty.

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Ted November 7, 2012 at 5:09 am

Every country that outperforms us on healthcare rankings (ie the entire developed world) has universal healthcare. We have faltering infrastructure. 1 in 4 bridges are severely unsafe. Our preparation for Sandy was the stuff of laughter in Europe and the Netherlands, whose Zuiderzee works make the Hoover Dam look like a Lego toy. You believe in do-it-yourself when all economic indicators show there’s less and less money available to go around. Most of the country now works harder than they did in 1976, for less pay, and with less hope. The rich are richer than ever. You don’t believe in democracy. You’re trying to reintroduce aristocracy. Where everyone was ‘free’ to get whatever healthcare coverage they wanted – they would just never be able to afford anything they chose.

You’ve had your shot, from Reagan through Bush II. You destroyed the country. Now we get on the perilous, arduous path towards rebuilding it.

Hope and change. The country still believes in it.

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Anonna November 7, 2012 at 5:16 am

What a joke. I guess we’re going to have to listen to the little roosters crow. Funny how they live in the past.

Now it’s free stuff for everyone as long as the goodie pile lasts. Then we’ll see some misery. Thanks to people like Ted who really believe the crap that he dishes out.

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Ted November 7, 2012 at 5:49 am

All my ‘crap’ is solidly backed by data.

http://www.who.int/gho/publications/world_health_statistics/en/index.html
http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/Excel-Data/mortality.htm
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/fact-sheet/bridges
http://www.slate.com/slideshows/news_and_politics/the-great-divergence-in-pictures-a-visual-guide-to-income-inequality.html

Not to mention the example of countries like Australia – where healthcare is free, the government spends much less on it than we do, and their outcomes far surpass ours. Their banking regulation meant they never even entered recession during the GFC, they experienced continuous growth. It is you who lives in the past. The future is all around us, but – until now – America has just buried its head in the sand.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 9:57 am

I like free healthcare Teddy! How is it free again? The Hospitals, doctors, nurses, aides, suppliers, etc. do it pro bono.

I think someone pays for it – maybe the patient isn’t billed, but someone pays because nothing is free! Take a look at the tax drag my man.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 1:20 pm

You know what has no copay? No EOB? No bill? Hospice! They make the end game really free and easy. Even if you don’t have pain–they offer morphine. I just went through this with my mother.

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Jed Clampett November 7, 2012 at 2:00 pm

I think its interesting you didn’t address his point about other countries having better/more-efficient healthcare systems, and instead just spouted off some BS sarcasm about how you don’t like to pay for stuff.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm

Jed – not sure what you are saying. If you were addressing my comment – it was not sarcastic – it was my increduality at Teddy’s believe that healthcare is “free” in Austrailia (or anywhere). In fact, in Austrailia they pay a “Medicare levy”. But unless you have “private healthcare insurance”, those with public healthcare insurance must wait in line and they cannot choose who their doctor will be. Their costs and system are consider to be good, but the US healthcare system could be more attractive in costs if insurance companies were allowed to compete across state lines. The democrats prevent competition and are nudging hard to a single payer system that will cripple us.

If you didn’t mean me, “nevermind!”

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Ted November 8, 2012 at 1:50 am

There is completely free choice of doctors in Australia, not sure where you’re getting your data, and the medicare levy is a) significantly cheaper than any single commercial healthcare provider in America, and b) significantly reduced for anyone earning less than $70,000, and completely waived for lower income individuals.

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rubyinitaly November 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Ted: You have no idea. I guarantee I know more about government “healthcare” than you do, having lived it for over 30 years. Here is what will work for the US: Single payer, only for catastrophic intervention. No insurance, it only bloats prices. Everything else, out of pocket. I have lost relatives to the wonderful system here, (Italy) with plenty of suffering. If you get sick or think you might be, you will pay out-of-pocket for your care. Even this will not be anything like what it has been in the US (No nursing, family members must camp out on the floor, 12 beds in a room, no air-conditioning, change your own IV drip, dirt and milling people at all hours. And even in a government structure you will probably have to bribe everyone to get, say, an extra towel. Bring your own sheets, water, and toilet paper.
I notice Italy is way up there in your statistics. Just wow.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 7:33 am

Oh Teddy – you make me want to become a Socialist just like you!

Where can I send a check to you in helping redistribute the wealth? Maybe we could work out an arrangement for for automatic payments with a minimum COLA of say, inflation + 5%?

And if you ever get sick and need immediate attention, I’d be happy to swap places in line if I’m ahead of you. Not sure which doctor you can see, but I’m sure they will be more than qualified.

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Ted November 8, 2012 at 1:54 am

What a dreadful world you describe, of people being nice to one another and willing to contribute towards restoring equality of opportunity in our once great land.

Oh what horrors we would face. We would have standards of living as low as Scandinavia’s.

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Anonna November 7, 2012 at 5:18 am

Let’s not forget the press re-elected Obama just as they elected him in 2008.

Thanks, puppets, for wasting our time on Mrs. Romney’s $900 blouse while praising or ignoring Mrs. Obama’s $9600 jacket. And that’s just the superficial distortions of what the citizens were shoveled as “accurate” reporting.

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Therealjg November 7, 2012 at 5:20 am

Kieth, if America couldn’t figure it out by Tuesday, November 6, 2012, she isn’t going to do so. This was the night we crossed over and decided to truly embrace statism. The near future belongs next to apparatchiks. After that comes the Long Night. How I wish the efforts of good people could have at least slowed things down, more. I weep for my children and those of my friends.

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russcos November 7, 2012 at 5:21 am

“Republicans candidates at the presidential level who followed Ronald Reagan have never really understood the value of standing for something.”

By “followed Ronald Reagan” do you mean “came after” or ” were influenced by”?

It is often tough to tell what you are trying to express from your writing. Anyway, the former is obviously true but the latter, which is probably not what you intended to infer, is a much more profound statement. And also very true.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 5:57 am

PLEASE READ

MeanBone, Why are you here?

The truth is that vote for vote, it was a close race and @ half of America IS conservative as we define it. I would not be smug nor superior if I were you. Maybe your half of the country doesn’t buy true conservative principles but mine does. We CERTAINLY are NOT enough of a minority to be called fringe or crazies or any other assortment of oh-so-tired names you can think of.

We are not going to change our principles or policies to suit you – why should WE change – your lot doesn’t, EVER. We may lose a few but we will also win – it is all cyclical.

If we want to have a pity party, we will. We are staying on our own turf here. We aren’t like you, trolling websites to rub salt in wounds, trying to “educate” us with your snide, in-your-face remarks. You see, we NEVER want to BE you or in any way be LIKE you.

What motivated you to come onto this website? What it to say “Wow, that was close but good game!.” OR “We kicked your ass! HA!” Which motive was noble, respectable or kind?

Here’s what you won’t understand about us conservatives: we will be the ones who will be there for you when it turns to worms, when there is trouble, when you are in need. We will disregard your contempt of us and help without a second thought. The government programs cannot give you the warmth in time of need that real people who care about their fellow man can. We believe in charity FIRST, government only when necessary. We would rather help each other and help YOU then have you rely on a government that doesn’t and cannot possibly care about you. That is who we are.

You don’t like us – we get that. But, as true conservatives, we will repect your right to blindly hate us when you don’t know us at all. And I dare say that our young and valiant men and women will continue to fight for that right all over the world and at home.

Now, I wish you well and congratulations on your win. Good game! I hope you find the happiness and peace of mind we all seek.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 5:59 am

Oops posted this twice.

Hope you all read it anyway – tell me if I am wrong in my assessment of US. Feedback?

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Twasbrillig November 7, 2012 at 8:35 am

I totally agree with you. I have lived for decades in another country whose mantra was to take care of you from cradle to grave, and believe me, it was no bed of roses. A bed of mediocrity, at best, and dangerous at worst.

You are far more charitable towards these smug lefties than I could be!

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Susan November 7, 2012 at 9:51 am

Agree with you, WKRW. The left may have won the battle, but we conservatives will carry on. We’ll continue to live our values of God, family, and country – knowing no temporary politicians can take that away from us.

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richtfan November 7, 2012 at 6:04 am

a guy on the radio yesterday made a great point. he said we needed to divide the country in half arbitrarily, maybe using the mississippi river as the dividing line. conservatives take over control of one half and liberals the other. build a concrete barrier between them. see how long it takes for the liberals to want to move to the conservative side of things after their own side is such decay. that’s essentially what we have now. all of the liberals in the snow belt are leaving and moving south and west. problem is that they wanna bring the policies with them that failed back home. we don’t want that union garbage where we are. leave it in toledo.

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Libertyman13 November 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm

Oh Lordy, this is funny. Yes, please, take your sweet half of the country. In fact, why don’t we just divide it up with red and blue from this past election?

The fact is, the red states will be less educated, less productive, less wealthy, less free, and will be begging to go back onto the blue state teat within a decade.

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Jim Mc November 7, 2012 at 6:08 am

To paraphrase ‘The One’:
“You didn’t win that!”

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Marie J November 7, 2012 at 6:39 am

You are right about the need for a broader base for the GOP. You can’t systematically alienate groups like hispanics and women and still expect to win national elections. Akin, Murdock and their likes are not candidates, who should be allowed to steal the message for the party in the future.
They should also propose immigration-reform.
The GOP already have a candidate who can do these things and her name is Susana Martinez. She has appeal to exactly the groups that have been lost in 2008 and 2012.

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Renee November 7, 2012 at 6:55 am

You can’t take money to the grave when you go. I don’t like the handling of our nation’s budget but I am more disgusted with the moral indecency and plain lack of respect so many liberals have for themselves and others. I’d love to slap those people who use the term “old white people” with disdain. THERE ARE BLACK CONSERVATIVES AND CUBAN AND HISPANIC etc. And, a lot of those “old white people” as well as other races fought in wars so the libetards have the freedom to spout off about “old white people.” I am 43 and have never been so disappointed in our country. The people in this country, definitely the illegals but obviously many, many legal immigrats and American born citizen have voted against morals, religion and decency…and voted for what they can get and get away with. It is such a “me…me…me…” group. The libertards want to legalize dope, legalize gay marriage, support abortion, support the government paying for their sex contraception/and sexcapades, they want food stamps and free healthcare. As someone who is on the lower end of the middle class spectrum I can tell you I got nothing out of OBAMA….he did nothing for the middle class. Biden and his middle class crap is just that. Would Romney have been great, we’ll never know but at least our country wouldn’t be RUNNING down a path straight to hell. I have black friends who everyday put Bible verses on their facebook page but then proceed to vote for a man who blatantly supports things against the BIBLE. It is in God’s hands and always has been…and America is in for a rude awakening. As for money… My healthcare expenses went up, my business taxes went up, and soon when the Bush tax cuts expire those will go up too. I make 20,000 a year in my freelance business far less than capable but I remember I have a sick child and my husband is a teacher. I pay just as much in taxes as he does. NEVER have money to reinvest to build the business because it goes straight to the government. I could quit my job and jump on the publi doll but that’s just not in me to do. I stand in lines behind people with their free Assurance cell phones or their Smartphones, their kids on CHIPS, their LoneStar card out and ready to buy everything allowable before they pull $80 cash out of their wallet to pay for beer and cigarettes, their NIKE tennis shoes, many covered in $20+ tattoos, often with a baby on their hip that God alone only knows who the daddy is. Because we should be FREE to have sex with anyone, make babies like there is no tomorrow, stick them on the public doll…. all while crying conservatives don’t want us to have control over our bodies, won’t give us fair pay, won’t pay for my four kids medical bills etc.
I have two kids, one with a chronic condition, we don’t qualify for any of the handouts all these people get, we don’t have fancy cell phones because we can’t afford them etc etc…AND the leeches still complain after all their handouts that they don’t have enough. Yet, some I know have gone on vacations and cruises I could never afford. They buy every electronic gadget out there…and then run tell others how to cheat. disgusting

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C November 7, 2012 at 6:55 am

Please look outside the conservative walls of reality. Income Inequality is real. People are not looking for hand outs like the right likes to scare into the discussion. America is tried of old out date with out factual ideas. Get some solution with real dialogue not ideology. Please do the country and read something more than watching Foxnews.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 7:12 am

We know income equality is real – Obama pays the women on his staff 17% less than the men. Or did he forget to menion that in his speech about the evil conservatives and their war on women.

I’ll stop watching Fox when you stop watching MSNBC.

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Renee November 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm

C- You assume all conservaitves have cable and can even SEE Fox News! or watch it on the internet. No we are probably working. But in my spare time I do read the liberal newpaper and see the liberal network stations. I work from various job locations since I am freelance but even now…I’m on lunch break. Remember most of us aren’t sucking of the government teat so we can’t all afford cable. Many I know don’t have cable because of all the trash on tv (from shows to commericals) and many others can’t afford it or a combo of both. And, I might add I’ve worked in a newsroom. It’s called GATEKEEPING for a reason. What makes air, politically speaking and otherwise, often depends on the News Director/Asst. Dir. or station manager or exec producer if the former aren’t around, especially on local issues. The first thing I realized is that the college media ethics class I took where we were taught all journalists must be FAIR AND UNBAISED…well that was a joke. You hear journalists spew their own opinion all the time. You do realize most NATIONAL and WORLD news comes off newsfeeds from NETWORKS and the AP and is just picked up as TRUTH by stations around the country and aired. And, yes that includes FOX too. If you trust them blindly you will get screwed. And, since dems think all the Republicans are the RICH people…isn’t it funny how of the top 16 richest politicians only 5 are republicans the rest are DEMOCRATS…and we are talking double digit multiple millionaires to billionaires. And, of course there’s all your super rich,liberal movie stars who can’t stay off drugs or alcohol binges or even married for a more than a couple years. When the going gets tough and the government runs out of money, (assuming they don’t just print more) wonder if you can call up your rich Democrat politicians or your favorite movie star and say “send me a check please.” There will be a very long silent pause if you do. As for your statement ….”Please do the country”….no thanks the liberals are already taking care of that.

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Good News November 7, 2012 at 6:59 am

Koffler is right about medicine growing more socialized (finally) but wrong about the role of liberal government. Government exists to serve for the betterment of all, not to have services carved away to give more to the cynical rich. Care will improve and costs will drop as more have access. Koffler’s portrait of Americans is laughable. Do any of you here actually believe him? It is his core argument that fails. Romney is a conservative by American standards, and his loss is a rejection of even Mitt’s so-called moderation. When will Republicabs get the message? You can’t control state legislatures forever, and nationally stark conservatism isn’t a sale. The conservative coalition is at odds with itself. You can’t be the party of small business, billionaires, evangelicals, uneducated whites, and racist or sexist fringes without collapsing in contemporary America. People like Koffler who tell you that’s possible are lying – remember that even the conservative journalists make their living writing op-eds you want to hear. Take heart, defeated friends. The improvement of social services will be universal. Your lives will be bettered, too, despite party affiliations.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 7:19 am

Obviously you’ve never read the Constitution and the Declaration Of Independence. This is why the country is going to hell. You have absolutely no clue on what the role of government is. People like you is the problem.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 7:22 am

is the problem, are the problem, whatever

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Good News November 7, 2012 at 9:04 am

US Constitution, Section 8: “The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excuses, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and GENERAL WELFARE OF THE UNITED STATES.” Which constitution did you read, Jeff?

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 9:24 am

Yeah, the “common defense and general welfare”, like a strong military, and upholding the Bill Of Rights, individual liberty, and not a redistribution of wealth and free condoms. The Constitution is NOT a living breathing document that can be corrupted to fit a corrupt agenda (although that’s exactly what’s happening thanks to liberalism/ progressivism).

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Good News November 7, 2012 at 10:07 am

Jeff, you are simply wrong. Did you know the Constitution was written before the Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights was not protected by the Constitution- it didn’t exist yet. As for not being a living, changing thing, you are wrong again. The Bill of Rights, which by your mentioning it I assume possesses authority for you, is a series of amendments- which means “changes”- to the original Constitution.

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Good News November 7, 2012 at 10:12 am

One last thing you conservatives don’t seem to get: taxes, of any kind, even for a military, are a redistribution of wealth. And Section 8 does NOT preclude taxation for General Welfare.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 10:35 am

Spin it any way you want, be my guest, but this spin game is exactly why the country is broke, unemployed, and on food stamps.

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Renee November 7, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Goodnews is right about 1 thing…. taxes. BUT, while some are used for general good such as road repair, the rest IS already being redistributed. The problem is…those who are sucking off the system or down right cheating the system…. WANT MORE and they want us to just shut up and hand it over. Doesn’t matter that we are trying to balance our own home budgets, put shoes on our own kids, pay our own light bills or send our own kids to college. They want more. I am all for helping the poor; giving a hand UP to those in disaster, whose spouse walked out, who’ve been abused….etc But we have shelters, red cross, churches, food pantries, food stamps, Child healthcare, welfare, medicaid, WIC, reduced-price lunch and free lunch programs, there are now free breakfast and lunch programs for all in low income districts, free food in the summer programs (usually through the USDA and school), Energy Assistance, housing assistance, you have companies giving out free cell phones to the poor, free tickets to the Zoo, the movies, amusement parks or sporting events, free athletic gear, scholarships, groups like YMCA or school PTO’s gathering free school supplies for the “poor”, scholarships to belong to athletic clubs etc. What more can they need! I see more people whipping out foodstamps/cards while wearing nike shoes, a fresh manicure, a smartphone and nice clothes etc. They aren’t THAT POOR. They just want MORE. (again not all…but a plentiful number). They say the rich should be giving more…that’s just because they know the middle class can no longer sustain the public coffers by themselves….so they want the Rich to chip in more. Sure it might alleviate my burden some if the Rich pay more but that doesn’t really solve the problem it just gives them more money for handouts. SOME, not all, of these same so -called “poor” have more children than they can support-MULTIPLE RACES TOO THAT IS NOT A ONE or TWO RACE ISSUE… I stopped at two because I KNOW I CAN’T afford three,..common sense.) My husband and I both work and my kids have never been to the Zoo or to expensive sporting events, My daugher and I have cells but it is too expensive to add on my husband, I scrape to get school supplies, I have a child with a chronic health condition, I don’t get my nails done or hair done weekly/monthly…I sure can’t afford highlights, low lights or a weave if I wanted one. I am on the fringe of the middle class. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO TAKE! Fortunately, I know my maker will take care of us if we lose everything. BUT GOODNEWS if your pockets are so full…then pony up yourself. Because I am tapped out. And, that’s just the money side. The morality side….well people have just decided to HAVE FUN…and not worry about any consequences.

DRLORI November 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm

people cant ‘get the message’. bc most of the media wont PRINT the message. satisfy my curiosity – is it exhausting or entirely effortless to be this blind to reality???

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Good News November 8, 2012 at 3:44 am

Jim, your “spin” reply demonstrates that you are not willing to have an open discussion of the points you raise, particularly if you think that stating facts – such as the dates certain documents appeared – is spin. The country is not broke, unemployed and on food stamps. The country is super-rich, but the wealth is concentrated in the top 1%’s hands, the unemployment rate is lowering (and will continue to do so), and 15% of the country is on food stamps, which is terribly high, but this too should improve as more return to work and the underemployed find better work. The CBO, a non partisan office that even tea party congressman listen to – has projected 12 million jobs created over the next four years. If Congress forces the country (in its fight against Obama) off the fiscal cliff, 2 million jobs will disappear overnight. And this isn’t Obama’s fault. In fact under his administration the country added double the number of jobs than it did in the previous 4 years. You can refuse facts, Jim, but only for so long. I hope you benefit from the recovery. Everyone deserves a share of prosperity.

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Good News November 8, 2012 at 3:55 am

Renee, you raise a number of issues that I think are legitimate reasons for anxiety, but I think you are confused about the causes and solutions. Many conservative Americans, hurt by the downturn and worried about the their future and their children’s future, have adopted right-wing rhetoric to cope with their fears and actual losses. But they are listening to Fox News casters (who are all multi-millionaires) or Limbaugh (who is worth 100s of millions) or the like. There is an assumption shared by many Americans that the government’s services are largely for the poor (who are then demonized as lazy, etc.), but this simply isn’t the case. Government should help where people can’t help themselves. Your situation sounds tough. But that’s exactly why programs like Obamacare exist, to help those who are unable to work a lot with health care, and for those who work but things are tight, to help them as much as they need. I guarantee you that Obamacare will lead to a public option within a few years. I also guarantee you that changes such as these will benefit you and countless others. For those worried about deficits, how about cutting military spending? We spend more than the next 30 nations combined. If we can’t stay safe spending half of that, we are doing something wrong in terms of strategy.

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Hominid November 7, 2012 at 7:00 am

The author claims, ‘Conservatives will have to think not how to water things down, but how to sell their program to people who have failed to embrace it. They need to bring Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans into their tent. Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.’ That’s pie-in-the-sky thinking – Hispanics aren’t American & never will be and Blacks are natural-born slaves. It’s all over folks – the America of the Founders died slowly of creeping Liberalism. Death is final.

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Libertyman13 November 8, 2012 at 10:44 pm

The power of conservative logic is truly unassailable… because it defies logical analysis entirely. I hope your viewpoints are well-aired, because that will prevent conservatives from ruining our economy, plunging us further into debt, and assaulting individual liberty for years and years to come. Then, when Obama’s obviously and indisputably centrist, pragmatic policies continue to bear fruit, your fringe beliefs will be discredited forever.

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Robert H November 7, 2012 at 7:02 am

Dear Keith,

You still don’t get it, do you?
The catastrophe is not Obama’s election, it’s the GOP.
The GOP is completely out of touch. It had an array of weird/poor/fringe candidates for the presidential nomination and picked the least embarrassing.
It’s about time the GOP started moving into the 21st century…

Greetings,
Robert

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 7:21 am

The “catastrophe” is a brainwashed, uninformed, and ignorant electorate.

Greetings,
Jeff

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Robert H November 7, 2012 at 8:29 am

That’s the spirit! Blame the electorate!
Great way to move forward to the next election defeat :).

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 8:48 am

How else do you suppose, Bob, that Obama got reelected? Fairy dust?

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Robert H November 7, 2012 at 8:52 am

Like Keith, you still don’t get it, do you?

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 9:16 am

Oh I get it all right. Even Thomas Jefferson couldn’t win over a corrupt, indoctrinated, paid off electorate.

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Robert H November 7, 2012 at 10:07 am

People like you lost us the election, people like you will cost us the next election as well.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 10:48 am

If more people were like me, just a few million more, Romney would be the President. The GOP didn’t run a perfect campaign, but neither did the democrats. The difference was a brainwashed/ indoctrinated ignorant electorate. Just ask an Obama voter the difference between the debt and the deficit; their eyes will glaze over.

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Robert H November 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Q.E.D.

Ted November 8, 2012 at 1:58 am

So it’s true, you lot don’t care about democracy. It’s ‘fixing’ the electorate you’re after. Perhaps doing away with those pesky elections altogether, lest they get in the way of righteous Republican governance.

Graeme November 7, 2012 at 7:09 am

I respectfully disagree. A Rockefeller Republican would have swept the battleground and coattailed Senators with him. Romney had an impossible task trying to appease hard core Conservatives thereby alienating mainstream ‘conservative’ centrists. Economics is pragmatic, not doctrinaire.

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mrog November 7, 2012 at 7:25 am

The Dems had a better ground game no question. In Florida an Obama staffer knocked on my door. I got helpful robocalls telling me voting hours and time and phone number to call. Republican robocall invited me to s Romney rally. I am a moderate who voted for Romney because I think Obama is like a coworker who finds every reason he couldn’t get a project finished. He is in over his head. But I knew Obama would win. America wants Cool. Not real solutions to fix the deficit. I pray Republicans can change and become more moderate and find s viable candidate for 2016 or a bluedog Dem.

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 7:37 am

For all of us who have co-workers that never seem to finish their project, but have a great excuse (like blaming the worker before them) – “Excuses and the nails that built the house of failure.”

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 9:58 am

“and” = “are”

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Jeanette collins November 7, 2012 at 7:30 am

Ha ha. Ha ha. Losers. For a reason.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm

If all the good people who fervently wished for a new start, a competent leader, are losers–then that makes you what, Charley Sheen?

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Sadie November 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm

Star – Any comment that begins with Ha ha – has all the depth and gravitas of a 10 year-old’s education – little to none.

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mario November 7, 2012 at 7:33 am

It’s alrigth. Natural process of healing the wounds…

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E.F. Taylor November 7, 2012 at 7:39 am

Keith, I’m sitting here crying with the first cup of coffee at 5:30am. Thank you for posting in your truthful and resilient way. I am so afraid we’re going to lose Israel. I can’t believe Americans did this to America. I am so sad this morning and feel like there’s nowhere to go.

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Libertyman13 November 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm

Don’t be sad. The electorate saved America from failed conservative policies that would have returned us to recession just as fast as austerity measures reversed the nascent recovery in the United Kingdom. Hold out hope that Obama and his economic policies can reverse the trend of consolidating wealth in the hands of just a few, and return the middle class to prosperity, because Romney’s plan surely would not have. Rejoice that individual liberty will be respected much more today than a week ago, with the ability to love and marry whom God made you love being protected in three more states. Be happy that foolish and anti-liberty marijuana prohibition has been defeated in two states! Know that women can now be safer in the knowledge that they will determine their own lives rather than be dictated to by ignorant politicians who espouse a flawed vision of Christianity.

It truly is a day to be happy. Our economy dodged the false cutting taxes creates job growth bullet, we have a real chance to address the debt with some modest revenue increases and spending cuts, our social liberties are safe and expanding, and maybe, just, maybe, the Democrats will finally put their money where there mouth is and address that conservative brainchild that has represented the greatest threat to liberty of all–the unprecedented expansion of the national security state.

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Wilson November 7, 2012 at 7:47 am

Tea Partyism should now die. Ryanism should now die. It’s looking like a beautiful day.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 8:04 am

Why, when just shy of half of the US agrees with us? The fact that you won is a process of the electoral college and that is our system, so we accept that. However, to think that we are going to just go away is ludicrous when you look at the popular numbers. You can’t call us the flyover states. In order to get the popular vote tally that we got,means that there are an awful lot of folks in your precious BLUE states that agree with us.

If the popular tally had been say 75/25 then you might have a point.

Another way to look at: only half of America agrees with you, Not exactly an idealogical landslide.

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David Wigan November 7, 2012 at 7:48 am

Hi Keith – the election showed how out of touch you and your Fox News buddies are . Suck it up dude – you’re views appeal to the god-fearing and the extreme right – a laughable and increasingly irrelevant minority.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 8:06 am

I’ll repeat this for you as well:

Why, when just shy of half of the US agrees with us? The fact that you won is a process of the electoral college and that is our system, so we accept that. However, to think that we are going to just go away is ludicrous when you look at the popular numbers. You can’t call us the flyover states. In order to get the popular vote tally that we got,means that there are an awful lot of folks in your precious BLUE states that agree with us.

If the popular tally had been say 75/25 then you might have a point.

Another way to look at: only half of America agrees with you, Not exactly an idealogical landslide.

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Libertyman13 November 8, 2012 at 11:00 pm

WKRW:

Good point. There are clearly a lot of doubters out there. And with the mainstream media’s false equivalency and unwillingness to address objective fact, it’s tough for certain. But I think we’ll see (and already are seeing) that modest Keynesian efforts are worthwhile and effective measure to address even extraordinarily severe economic problems like our country has faced over the past five years. These will pay dividends that will benefit everyone.

While I don’t hold out hope that everyone will be convinced of course, I think that soon it will become clear, to those that are willing to accept fact, that the overwhelming evidence of the past 70 years has shown that right-wing economics do nothing but line the pockets of the richest few. This is not because they are truly free-market, but instead because they provide incentives for the very rich to make more money while people like me pay 35% effective tax rates,

As an aside, if you think taxes are a winning argument, you should really not nominate someone who makes 200 times what I do and pays a rate a third of what I do. That sort of cronyist nonsense really doesn’t appeal to all the MAKERS like me who just happen to think that historical evidence supports at least some purpose for governmental intervention to lessen the deleterious effects of a serious recession.

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WKRW November 7, 2012 at 8:16 am

You know how ridiculous you come across? Romney only got around one million votes less than Obama. Where is the “laughable and increasingly irrelevant minority” in that figure?. Instead it is just one million votes shy of HALF THE COUNTRY. So you are saying that half the country is extreme right? You ought to thank your lucky stars then for the electoral system, otherwise it would have been a very narrow victory indeed and you wouldn’t be so boldly obnoxious.

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Star November 7, 2012 at 9:46 am

Yes, a crumb of one percent difference–what happened to your hero’s 7% cushion?

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Jack Zyman November 7, 2012 at 11:10 am

More like 3 million but facts don’t seem to matter on this blog

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GWShrub November 7, 2012 at 9:21 am

“you’re views appeal to the god-fearing and the extreme right – a laughable and increasingly irrelevant minority.”

I’m probably too late with this comment to even matter but this statement is no laughing matter….for you, DW.

Some day you WILL stand before God & give account for your life & you are calling the God-fearing ‘laughable”? I feel sorry for you.

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Ted November 8, 2012 at 2:02 am

We shall tell god we cared about our fellow men. We shall tell him we tried to expand healthcare and welfare, to give every child an opportunity. You’ll tell him you wanted to spend more on the military. You’ll tell him you wanted to slash funding for educational children’s shows on PBS. We’ll see who he takes a shine to.

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PaulM November 7, 2012 at 7:52 am

Romney was not about creating jobs. He was about creating profits. Romney claimed he was a businessman, not a politician. Well Governor, governing is not about business. It’s about people and their lives. You just never got that.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 8:21 am

Bingo! Look how much Obama has done for “people and their lives”.

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jtlondon November 7, 2012 at 7:59 am

There is no way you can be a chief White House correspondent – the language and grammar in this piece is terrible

” Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.” – what does that even mean?? Appealing (the second use) is not a verb, and if it was surely it would make “to make something appeal to someone”..

Crikey!

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jtlondon November 7, 2012 at 8:03 am

apologies, it’s not a verb in the sense in which you used it. You could of course say “by appealing to their philosophies” which might make sense (although it wouldn’t, given the context) but you didn’t so it’s irrelevant..

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GWShrub November 7, 2012 at 8:58 am

Well, that depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm

What?!?!

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AuntieDecorum November 7, 2012 at 8:19 am

Business is evil, white is evil, over 30 is evil, married people are evil, God believers are evil, educated is evil, money makers are evil…I’m sick of being called evil by people who don’t understand businesses are the employers, racism against whites exists, the over 30s are the ones who grease the American wheels, there is intolerance for Christians from people who scream that Christians aren’t tolerant and must be obliterated (ah, hypocracy), being educated doesn’t mean bowing to “the man”, and without money makers all your free government stuff disappears. Being independent is indeed scary, but not as scary as smiling while the government slips a plastic bag over your head so you’ll slowly suffocate “for your own good”. Enough already. Socialized medicine doesn’t work for large countries long term (look at Europe), taxing the hell out of the rich doesn’t work (look at France), and oppressing religion doesn’t work, either (read a history book). I get that certain factions actually think they are helping by handing people cell phones and printing enough money to choke every baby born for the next century, but remember the old adage: feed a man a fish, he’ll eat for a day, teach him to fish, he’ll eat for life. It’s more humane and more sympathetic to teach and allow people to be independent. But then, that’s not this administrations goal. As long as we need the government, they have a free pass and a cushy job for life…unlike those they are supposedly helping.

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john November 7, 2012 at 8:20 am

You need a note from your attorneys to urge you to admit that the “Quote of the Day” is not true!!! The quote is a lie. Obama didn’t say that.

I was taught when I was a child not to lie. This is one of the problems of conservatives. You believe so strongly in your ideas that it overwhelms you basic sense of honesty and decency. And the public senses that. It’s the Jeep ad, the birther allegations, the etch-a-sketch strategy. The public has a sense that conservatives don’t have a fundamental commitment to the truth. As Morning Joe pointed out, everyone was surprised by the outcome because, what the Obama campaign said about the status of the campaign was true, and what the Romney campaign said was spin (a lie). Your “Quote of the Day” is just another example. If you want to know why conservatives lost, you don’t need to go any further than you website.

The really sad part is that the fundamental conservative ideas are good ideas.

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AuntieDecorum November 7, 2012 at 8:28 am

Ummmmm, it’s called satire.

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Jeff1000 November 7, 2012 at 8:30 am

Bingo! Bingo! I’m so grateful that Barack Obama’s 1930′s “ideas” didn’t overwhelm his basic sense of honesty and decency. What a standup guy he is. Four more years of government theft.

Let’s celebrate our demise!

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WNY_ROC November 7, 2012 at 10:02 am

john -

“The quote of the day is TRUE – Obama really did say that!” WNY_ROC

A note from my attorneys: This is not a real quote.

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Jim Sedberry November 7, 2012 at 8:23 am

You can now bend over and kiss your ass good bye, we all see the underlieing flow of the “welfare state” that this ninja wants to create. BUT, we do not have to accept it, we do not have to bend under. Nothing will be accomplished in 4 years, except the continuing destruction of America. Now it is time to revolt against this “government” and fight them to the finish. Lest we are lost!!!

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JonathanCR November 7, 2012 at 8:24 am

“Obamacare is now here to stay. The United States will move inexorably toward socialized medicine, and the quality of health care for all will begin to decline irrevocably.”

Here in Britain our healthcare is far more socialised than anything Obamacare provides, and yet our healthcare is excellent. As a country we spend less, per person, on healthcare than the US does, and yet by most metrics our health is better. The NHS, which provides our free-at-point-of-use healthcare, is tremendously popular, and politicians who meddle with it do so at peril of their careers. Not because we’re all self-entitled layabouts who want the government to hold our hands all the time, but because we recognise that it works and it’s a very good deal.

The tiny steps along which Obama has managed to drag the United States towards something approaching this system are, to say the least, modest by comparison. So the constant portrayal of Obama by right-wing commentators as some kind of far-left socialist or even Marxist baffles us outside the US. To most of the world he’s a centrist or even mildly right-wing. He’s arguably to the right of our own Conservative prime minister, at least on some things. Honestly, if you think Obama’s a socialist, what did you think Tony Blair was? A communist?

The point I’m trying to make is not that Obama is right to seek to socialise medicine and other things in the US (although I think he is). Rather, it’s that even if he’s wrong, and even if these things will harm the US (although I don’t think they will), you shouldn’t be so melodramatic. If this is socialism, it’s socialism-super-lite. It’s not going to destroy the United States. It’s probably not going to make all that much difference one way or another.

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AuntieDecorum November 7, 2012 at 8:44 am

You see, you aren’t living here under his leadership. I appreciate you are involved with our politics; Britain is an American friend. What you need to understand is that we have other, bigger problems besides healthcae. It’s also what the healthcare act represents: an unpopular bill a majority did not want, but was pushed through anyway. An act that will add a new burden to a shrinking middle class that is already floundering. An act that is considered intrusive, because the government is telling us we have to do something in our private lives that we don’t agree with. Understand, it’s not about the idea of upgrading healthcare; conservatives had several counter proposals and an act of their own. It’s about government intrusion and an unacceptable tax. In other words, taxation without representation.

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JonathanCR November 7, 2012 at 10:03 am

Well, governments pass bills that weren’t necessarily what people wanted when they elected them. We get that rather a lot, too. But the people have the opportunity to say what they think about that at subsequent elections, and that’s what they’ve done now. If Obamacare were really that unpopular and forced upon the population they’d have voted for the candidate who promised to repeal it. It’s not taxation without representation. Just as one couldn’t really argue that the American people hadn’t agreed to the Iraq war when they re-elected Bush in 2004, so too one can’t really argue that they haven’t agreed to Obamacare now.

I know that’s incredibly frustrating when the leader and the policies in question are ones you don’t agree with, but that’s the same for everyone. Those who opposed George W. Bush had to accept it when the majority voted to support his policies.

It’s true I don’t live under Obama’s leadership, but I have lived under the leadership of governments and prime ministers that are far more left-wing than him and I think they have been good for our country. I think Obama is good for yours, though I can say that only as an observer. Like most people in Britain I would rather live under Obama than under Cameron, who really was elected by a minority of voters. But, also like most people in Britain, I’ll have my chance to say what I think about that in a couple of years, and in the meantime I know that, while I believe Cameron’s policies to be mostly harmful, a country is a fairly resilient thing and in the grand scheme of things it probably makes less difference than those of us who follow politics passionately like to imagine. I don’t expect to change the minds of anyone here regarding Obama or the desirability of his healthcare reforms, but I do encourage you to be a bit more sanguine about them.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 10:43 am

But since I obviously didn’t vote for O, that means I can complain about Obamacare. In fact, looking at the polls will show you 50% of voters didn’t agree with his agenda. Plenty of people who didn’t vote for G.W. Bush complained about the war and all of his policies, and said the same thing: “He is not my president!”. It was their right to do so. Some of us who didn’t vote for O either time feel as if they aren’t being represented by this man. There was no vote for citizens to decide on this sweeping “tax” that will effect every single person living here, legally or not. They had to “pass the bill before you can see what’s in it”. He has shoved through what he wants by circumventing the built in checks and balances of our Constitution. He chooses not to work with the opposing side because they don’t lay down and agree with everything he wants. This is not representation, this is dictatorship in my book.

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JonathanCR November 7, 2012 at 11:13 am

It’s not dictatorship, and to be honest I think it’s rather insulting to those who really do live under dictatorships, in places like North Korea or Zimbabwe, to equate what you consider to be a bad president with what they endure.

My understanding of the dealings between Obama and the House Republicans over the past couple of years hasn’t been that he simply ignores them and refuses to compromise because they won’t accept everything he wants – it’s more the other way around. But I suspect that this is something that everyone’s going to see through the prism of their own political views, and perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle. We needn’t argue about precisely where.

Of course you can complain about Obamacare – of course that’s your right, and you can lobby your representatives about it and so on, just as those who opposed Bush’s wars did. I’m not suggesting you start liking a president or policies you oppose just because he’s won re-election. Of course not, and as I said, I consider myself to be in a not dissimilar situation in my own country, where we have what I think is a very misguided prime minister with mostly dreadful policies. In the unlikely event of his winning the next election I won’t start shutting up about them. I’ve also said, just like you, that the current mayor of London (where I live ) is “not my mayor”, and for pretty similar reasons, but while I may and will complain about the actions he takes as mayor I’m not going to dispute his right to take them or the fact that a majority of Londoners said they were willing to trust his judgement on what actions to take even without knowing what they’d all be. Unless you want to live in a country where every governmental decision is decided by referendum, like ancient Athens, that’s something we’re all stuck with, whatever our political persuasion. We elect our leaders to make these decisions for us. We may not like the decisions and we may not like the leaders, but that’s a different matter.

All I’m saying here is (a) don’t feel too downcast about Obama’s policies, because even if you’re right that they’re wrongheaded, they really, honestly, aren’t going to destroy your country, and (b) it’s one thing to say the policies are wrong and to oppose them, but it’s another to make out that they’ve been forced upon an unwilling country by a machiavellian dictator after he’s won re-election. That just weakens your case. Your case should be to try to persuade people that the policies are wrong, not to try to persuade them that they already think the policies are wrong.

I appreciate your replies though. I look at sites like this in part because I want to understand those with views different from my own. I don’t expect anyone to change their minds as a result but it’s surely worth trying to understand.

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WM November 7, 2012 at 11:56 am

I’m glad that you come, too; civil conversations about opposing views is very important, though not as easy as it should be. People become passionate and emotionally involved when it comes to politics.

I have a feeling we will never agree on many things. I am a conservative libertarian. That shocks plenty of people. lol I, too, visit many sites, watch different news channels, and read plenty of news sites. I don’t say that O hasn’t worked with the opposition lightly. There have been behind the door screaming matches, outright refusals (in front of cameras) to read or even acknowledge measures that were starting points to meet at least halfway. There have been scheduled meetings that he has skipped in favor of basketball or golf. He has an agenda, that’s easy enough to see – most politicians do – but it is an agenda that 50% of us don’t agree with. He promised transparent leadership. He promised jobs. He promised to bring people together. He promised a lot of things. His actions haven’t shown what he’s promised. The country truly is split in half, the numbers clearly show that. It is so far divided, so painfully split, that people can’t have a conversation about what’s happening.

No, he is not as bad as active dictators. However, for me, his actions show dictator like tendencies. We are lucky enough that we get to vote, but when you see that there are radical Obama supporting organizations “manning” the polls in certain areas (ie intimidation), opposing side poll regulators kicked out and replaced with party friendly regulators (illegally), and murals and posters decorating voting sites (again illegal), it’s frustrating, and it makes it all seem very questionable. The fact that he happily bypasses the people we voted in to represent us and passes what he wants makes me raise my eyebrows. The fact that he is content to bow to foreign leaders (literally and figuratively) while ignoring countries who have traditionally been our friends is a red flag for me.

Don’t misunderstand me, please; I’d love to just be displeased with the president. I’ve been in that position most of my adult life. I wrote my reps, campaigned for certain views, talked to plenty of people, wrote articles, all the things a politically active person does when they aren’t happy with their leadership. But I have never, ever, been so horribly disappointed and honestly afraid of the person in the Presidential Chair as I am right now. Not even when O moved in the first time.

Will the country survive? Not as we know and loved it. It will be the country of O’s vision, which isn’t a vision 50% of us have. Will we the people survive? I honestly can’t say. The dollar is devalued, most businesses are now refusing to hire and are, in fact, laying people off. Will we pray to our chosen God and hold on for dear life? Of course we will, because that’s the American spirit.

Now, I’ll wish you luck with your problems across the pond. I know you’re just as frustrated as we are with your leadership. Not long now and you can vote as you wish. Here’s hoping you get the leader you want. Just remember, there were plenty of people who said it would be crazy if O was re-elected.

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JonathanCR November 8, 2012 at 4:24 am

Thanks. Civil discourse of this kind is vital and I have to say it’s one of the things I’ve always found most terrifying about America, the way both sides demonise each other. We don’t have that, at least not nearly to the same degree.

I won’t take issue with the substance of what you say, other than this:

“It will be the country of O’s vision, which isn’t a vision 50% of us have.”

That’s true, perhaps – although I still think you over-estimate the power of the president to bring the country into line with his vision – but it’s true whoever gets elected. The problem that this election highlights isn’t so much that half the country rejects the vision of Obama, it’s that half the country rejects the vision of whoever is elected president. It would be just as true if Romney had won, only it would be the other half of the country feeling it had gone completely the wrong way. America’s problem is that it is so almost perfectly divided between two political and social camps so utterly at odds with each other, they can’t agree on anything or work together on anything. The founders of the country never envisaged this when they designed its political machinery and the country can’t function indefinitely in such a state. One way or another either more common ground must be found, or one “side” must definitively triumph over the other. I don’t know which is more likely but one of them simply will have to happen.

Best of luck one way or the other anyway. It makes little material difference to us in Britain, I think, but a great many of us care very much about it because we care about America and want its people to do well.

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Aileen November 7, 2012 at 9:19 am

My question to proponents of health care – who cite personal experience in other smaller countries is this:
Do you have any idea of the population of the US? Can you possibly imagine the imagnitudes of issues that will be created with a government controlled health care program for 313 Million people? Estimated population of the UK is 62 million, Canada 35 million. Simple math explains that the US will need to provide for 5 times the people in the UK and nearly 9 times the people in Canada. Can you see that “spreading the cost” of that many people who are essentially adding cost to the system will not decrease the actual total expense? Who will pay for this enormous expense? And, by the way, I spent the entire day with a Brit who does not share your enthusiasm for “free-at-point-of-use healthcare….just sayin’.

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JonathanCR November 7, 2012 at 9:53 am

Aileen, sure, there are British people who don’t support the NHS, just as there are Americans who are socialists – in both cases they are in a small minority (or live overseas!). The NHS is so broadly popular that supporting it is a shibboleth for all mainstream politicians, irrespective of their actual intentions – witness Cameron’s rhetoric about supporting it before the 2010 election, compared to his actions on it (or, one might say, against it) since, which have been among his most unpopular.

I take your point about the different situation in a country with a much larger population such as the US. The practicalities are quite different. Nevertheless, there may be five times the people taking from the system, but by the same token one might say there are five times the people contributing to it, too (frequently the same people, since it would be wrong to think society is simplistically divided between “takers” and “givers”). Who pays for the enormous expense? Everyone, through taxation. It works. Overall, one pays less in taxes for healthcare than one would pay in insurance premiums (and lawyers’ bills) under a purely private system.

I was at an event a few weeks ago in America with a European entrepreneur (and gazillionnaire, in case any one thinks he’s another welfare beneficiary) who made the nice analogy: it’s like communism. Every sensible person recognises that the argument about communism is over, and communism lost. End of story, we’ve all moved on. Europeans think that way about healthcare. There’s nothing to argue about any more. Socialised healthcare has simply been shown to be more efficient and more effective than privatised, and we’ve all accepted that and moved on. And so we’re all rather baffled by the Americans continuing to agonise over it at such length!

I think that’s rather over-simplifying things – after all, there are some European countries which do use systems not unlike the American one – but, whatever one’s views on whether socialised medicine is a good thing or not, please believe that it’s not going to bankrupt your country. It’s really not that big a deal. It’s not run us into the ground and the much more modest version you’ve now got won’t run you into the ground either.

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KmB November 7, 2012 at 8:35 am

It’s morning in America and it’s not pretty…

This morning the sound of money swooshing from American banks to Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia (the new financial center of the world) can be heard. Major corporations gear up to move their operations out of the United States at a record pace, the fear of forced unionization and higher corporate taxes is facilitating the move. Most CEOs no longer look to the United States to sell their goods and services as emerging markets fill the void. (Buying power of the average United States citizen falls ever further.) China begins to renegotiate with Geithner who is only left with federal assets to use as collateral as the value of United States dollar falls ever further against world currencies. Chinese bankers and government officials secretly visit the federal reserves of the United States and plan to exploit the natural resources to support their manufacturing, western Colorado is awash in Chinese workers picking up where United States oil industries where forced to abandon due to Obama Climate change initiatives. The irony is lost on the environmental lobby as Colorado wilderness respected by the the United States oil industry is littered and laid bare by the Chinese.

Government subsidized green technology around the world falters expect in the United States where the Obama administration ‘goes all in’ on green technologies. The past is indicative of the future as EVs are priced to high, and solar industries find no buyers for defective equipment to name a few of the many faults that see additional billions (now financed largely out of the diminishing US gold reserves) fail horribly. Through it all the Obama administration continues to alienate Oil producers who start to close up developments in the United States and move exploration and refining capabilities off shore leaving the United States running on empty.

Poverty increases in the inner cities, unemployment runs at 50 percent for most minorities as they depend more on Government subsidies which quickly diminish as the Government revenues continue to fall. Movements akin to Occupy except more radical are silently being formed, they are joined by a frustrated conservative middle class which leaves the mainstream media scratching their heads to explain it all.

Israel now alone in the world and aware of the plight before them formally pulls the curtain off their nuclear arsenal for the world to see, particularly Iran which has hoodwinked the Obama administration and despite pledges not to, has secretly developed a number of nuclear weapons even testing some in North Korea, Israel threatens to use their weapons to protect it’s sovereignty as world pressure fronted by the United States calls for them to unilaterally to disarm, Iran who marches their mock warheads through their boulevards is ignored.

Obama attempts to jump the fiscal cliff and fails and in an emergency address to the nation as he is visiting California, asks that the debt limit be raised to 18 trillion dollars, most analyst scuff at that amount knowing that in just a matter of weeks he’ll need to ask for a figure exceeding 20 trillion. The Chinese Yuan now becomes the currency most world transactions are done in.

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JC November 7, 2012 at 8:35 am

Yeah, we need more consevatives like Akin and Murdouk, right? Do not understimate how those two fabulous conservatives SCREWED this election for Romney. They reinforced the idea that Republicans are neaderthals who don’t care about women’s health. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not…it the PERCEPTION. They fed right into the stereotype and put enough fear into enough women that they did not support Romney in sufficient numbers to win the election. Is that the kind of conservatives the Republicans want to keep nominating, just on the principle of “no pastels”. A dead dog could have beaten Claire Mckaskil. And I guess RIchard Luger wasn’t conservative enough….he would have won in a landslide. Instead, we get 2 idiots who don’t have the good sense to keep their damn mouths closed, instead of spouting off garbage that costs them and Romney the election. Yeah, I love the conservative ideas on how to grow the economy, military strength and many others….so did Akin and Murdouck. If Republicans keep up the notions expressed in this article, they can be proud of themselves for sticking to their “principles” while the Democrats and liberals overwhelm this country. The Republicans and conservatives have to deal with the reality that this election was IT….in the next 4 years, thanks to hard-ass thinking and refusal to bend a bit, the Dems are going to institute immigration reforms that will increase at a faster pace the “browning” of America. That is a FACT. It can’t be stopped now. Go ahead, keep being uncompromising hard asses and see where it gets us. We need to be more clever and get candidates elected who are not perfect copnservatives but who are ELECTABLE. What are we going to do, disqualify MArco Rubioif he wants to do comprehensive immigration reform? He is the ONE guy who has a chance to make inroads because of his heritage and his BRILLIANCE. But, in a primary fight, he’ll have to disavow many of his more moderate positions so he doesn’t get BRANDED by the Tea Party. And now the press will fawn all over Hillary CLinton and women will vote for her in 2016 at a clip to match blacks voting for Obama. If the republican PArty does not bend a bit, it is going to BREAK and go proudly down the road to obscurity while the flood of liberalism drowns it. Keep talking about how liberal ideas will fail and THEN the conservative mantras will matter again….yeah, right. In the meanwhile, th eother side will keep growing their population and enslave people on entitlements so they have a voting block that is well ver 50% of the population and then that’s all she wrote.

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Mriordon November 7, 2012 at 8:50 am

Sorry, but it is the end.

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John Derbyshire November 7, 2012 at 8:50 am

The GOP is toast unless it learns what this result means – the Tea Party has alienated the middle ground of the electorate. The Tea Party’s coup d’état on traditional moderates left only nut jobs as candidates for 2012, with Mitt as the best of a bad bunch of the unelectable. 2016 is a crucial turning point, get that wrong and the GOP is in for a long stay in the wilderness. Obama’s 50.3 percent against Romney’s 48.2 percent of the popular vote (Florida not in yet) gives him a mandate. If Reps in the House continue to play dog in a manger, making the country ungovernable, then middle ground alienation will become permanent. The GOP needs to stop sucking up to the Tea Party Taliban.

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Sure November 7, 2012 at 9:00 am

I agree… the Republicans lost this on social issues, not fiscal ones. A majority of people thought Romney would be better for the economy (according to the polls). But they just couldn’t stand to vote for the party of “legitimate rape” and percieved gay bashing. When will we get a candidate who is fiscally conservative, but socially liberal??

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Hayward November 8, 2012 at 2:39 pm

George Santayana says it

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

For who started the USA down the slippery slope from creditor to debtor nation?

The Republicans under Reagan.

1981, shortly after taking office, Reagan complained of “runaway
deficits” that were then approaching US$80 billion, or about 2.5
% GDP.

1983 Reaganomics had succeeded in enlarging the deficit to more than US$200 billion, or 6% GDP.

1993 Bush1 deficit down to US$150 billion, still almost double what it had been under Carter. National Debt up from US$995 billion, when Reagan took office, to $4 trillion.

Reaganomics, as applied by 3 Republican Administrations, had it grow as a % of GDP from 26% to 42%.

1993 Clinton managed hold/wind back both of them in returning the budget to a surplus of some US$280 billion and reducing the National Debt to 35% GDP.

2001 Bushednomics soon remedied that as The Faux Texan and late unlamented encumbrance in the White House, even managed to outdo “The Gipper” and his own Dad.

Setting yet another unenviable record with a deficit was to be $482 billion in the 2009 budget moving from black to red ink in the order of US$750 billion from the end of
Clinton’s term.

2007 the Wall Street Tsunami led to to so much money sloshed around, including the socialist style buying of bank shares, that the deficit and the ND blew out again. Helped of course by the Three Trillion Dollar War/s, The Iraq Fiasco and the Afghan Imbroglio.

2008 to present after the WST, the GFC, that Global Financial Chicken coming home to roost with a fulsome, noisome pile of economic, financial and fiscal ordure that no incoming Administration could hope to cope with in the short term.

2011 US had to borrow c.40% 0f the funding to keep the country running.

1978-2005

Democratic Presidents, Federal Spending went up 9.9%. Federal Debt 4.2%, GDP 12.6%.

Republican Presidents Federal Spending was 12.1%, FederalDebt 36.4% , GDP 10.7%

1995-2006 Republicans controlled Congress.

2001-2009 Republican Administration.

Another extremeley interesting fact is that since1945 the market has gained 15% pa under Democrat Presidents but only 10% pa under Republican Presidents.

Fiscally Responsible Republicans?

More like Fiscally Risible!

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gracepmc November 7, 2012 at 9:42 am

Yeah, how sad it is that some of us will fight to defend the constitution, limited government, fiscal responsibility and individual freedom.

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WMP November 7, 2012 at 7:57 pm

Will someone please tell me why only Republicans have to compromise – I am not a social conservative, but a fiscal conservative. I attended some tea party rallies. In my area they are only fiscally conservative – nothing about social issues. There are certainly plenty of left wing radicals too. The problem is everyone (both parties) are only out for themselves. Pretty darned hard to change that. And 50.3 is not a mandate! Romney was a good man – according to all the pundits not the best campaigner, but honestly – at this point I don’t think it would have mattered who ran. Based on the comments of the voters we are saddled with 50% of our population who have no skin in the game. Pretty darned hard to turn that around. It is up to the states to make the changes. Hope none of you live in California because we live with the hard left here and there is absolutely no hope in sight.

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